First off, sorry if this has been asked a million times in this community already, but the only post I found on this topic when I searched was over two years old.

I’ve been using PIA vpn for the past two years, but my subscription is ending soon and I was thinking about switching providers. I’m a fairly basic vpn user so I’m not overly concerned about advanced features and bells and whistles. I have a limited budget to work with, and I run Fedora os. Does anyone have any recommendations on what vpn I should be using?

I’ve seen Mullvad mentioned frequently, but it’s a touch expensive compared to others. I’ve heard some good things about Proton vpn too, but I know there was a controversy with their CEO not long ago. I’ve also just read something about IVPN and they look good, but I’d like opinions from more sources. I’m open too all other suggestions as well. Thanks for any and all thoughts!

  • Ilandar@lemmy.today
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    The Proton CEO thing was vastly overblown. He is a privacy advocate and expressed support for Trump’s appointment for head of antitrust, as well as criticism of corporate Democrats who stand for big business which was misrepresented as a love of the Republican Party. The only mistake he made was to publish those statements using the official Proton account, which he later apologised for.

    Some people, especially the American left, love to virtue signal and predictably they tried to cancel Proton as a result of this pretty minor and irrelevant social media drama. There were some good write-ups at the time which exposed how counterfactual the “pRoToN lOvEs mAgA” arguments were, but I guess feel free to skip over Proton if it really concerns you. It is objectively one of the best choices if you value both privacy and functionality (Proton still has support for port forwarding), which I think are far more relevant areas to be looking at when choosing a VPN for piracy.

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      Okay but his criticism makes no sense when the FTC under biden actually started taking antitrust seriously and has since lost its teeth again under trump.

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        And the Proton CEO tweet about Trump looking out for the little guys is such an insane MAGA echo chamber take. It throws the credibility of the entire post into question. Not to mention that it’s a Medium article. Too many red flags that it undermines OP’s point pretty quick.

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    I ended up self hosting my own in a privacy-friendly low-cost VPS after trying everything in some censorship heavy locations (SuperVPN, NordVPN, Mullvad, Surfshark, Frog{something}VPN …) & rotating the address from time to time (I using a domain name so I don’t have to change all the clients). My private one uses whatever new obfs protocol pops up and some other things to make fingerprinting very hard. Combining this with residential proxies & TOR+private bridges for browsing works like a charm EVERYWHERE.

    Commercial VPNs all fail because they use standard protocols and are very easy to fingerprint if you try enough.

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      Must be expensive to use residential proxies, nah? If I can ask, what’s your host?

      Unless you’re not doing anything illegal and just using some friends’ IP and stuff

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        Regarding residential proxy, it will be okay, 1usd per GB in packetstream.

        For VPS, I use AlexHost as they dont require id, plus crypto payments (I wish I could use something else, capsul.org is overpriced and much lower quality)

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            I meant AlexHost, if you find something with similar specs and pricing I would love to jump to it. AlexHost treats customer like garbage. Plus, only use shared instances, dedicated instances are terrible (terrible internet speed and host performance) check TrustPilot.

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                Thanks for sharing!

                From an initial look it seems like a reseller, I guess it will require identification + has some restrictions. I run some trading bots so that’s out for sure.

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                  yup but they told me some of their servers was theirs

                  The thing that I like is that they resell hetzner for crypto, at a very small extra, which I haven’t seen elsewhere

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      It has its issues but so far the most reasonable.

      (If you are in a censorship heavy area, go with something else, Mullvad relies on standard protocols that are easy to inspect and shut down)

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    I tried airvpn, but found it confusing in some regards. ProtonVPN is easier to use and it has served me well, despite the recent controversy around it. The only real annoyance is that it randomly selects a new port to forward every time you connect, so you have to manually update that in your client. Quantum is a nifty tool that will read your ProtonVPN logs and automatically complete this step for you, if you use qBittorrent.

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      That was the case, but now that they no longer support port forwarding thinking about alternatives is a good idea. For me, a VPN without port forwarding is not an option (since I use private trackers).

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      Mullvad seemed like the perfect choice and I was happy with them until they killed port forwarding, that got me wanting to switch to something else.

      I recently bought a year of AirVPN. Their apps aren’t as nice but it works, and port forwarding works with the same port across all their servers.

      I use Wiresock Secure Connect on Windows, and the Eddie app or OpenVPN Connect on Android.

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      on mint cinnamon, mullvad app prevents auto-suspending and screen timeout, idk if it does that on other distros. spent a full year troubleshooting and lost most of my hair and will to live. accidentally found the solution after switching to ivpn because it became impossible to watch youtube with mullvad

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        How important is port forwarding? I’ve never really bothered with it. I’m definitely still in the shallow end of the pool when it comes to using vpns.

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          Seeding torrents will be next to impossible without it, especially for private trackers. It’s pretty vital for torrenting. Anything else, doesn’t matter.

          I used Mullvad for a year and love the service, but they explicitly don’t allow port forwarding, so I recently switched to Proton. Their CEO’s comments last year still feel disgusting and I trust them as a company far less than I trust Mullvad as a result, but the service they offer is stellar regardless.

          From what I understand, Mullvad is the top choice for a privacy-focused daily driver VPN, while Proton is the best choice for torrenting while still functioning just fine for daily use.

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          The only realistic answer is “it depends”. Torrents require at least one side to have an open port. If your port isn’t open, you’ll only be able to connect to people who have opened theirs. If everyone had open ports, you wouldn’t need to worry about it. But the reality is that many people don’t bother with opening a port, so your connections will be limited.

          The issue will be much more apparent on smaller/less popular torrents. With popular torrents and hundreds of seeders, chances are good that some people will have an open port. But your speeds may be limited, because you can only connect to a select few. Even worse, torrents may stall entirely if there are only a few seeders, (and none of them have open ports). It’s super frustrating looking at a torrent with 3 or 4 seeders, but seeing that it has stalled.

          There are workarounds like pinholing, but those are bodges that require specific circumstances to work.

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          IIRC it’s good to get faster downloads on BitTorrent, but I’ve never stumbled upon a torrent that was slow anyway.

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            It’s more of an issue with torrent seeding. You need to be able to accept incoming connections to seed, so you need a VPN/router to allow incoming traffic to a certain port to reach your torrent client.

            So, not a problem for leeching, but if you are trying to meet ratio requirements, could be a big problem.

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          I haven’t even looked at port forwarding. I think maybe some ISPs in some countries might block traffic this way but others will know better. Everything just works with Mullvad on Fedora with Qbittorrent, so I’m happy.

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      What is it about Mullvad that makes it superior to all other options? I’m open to it, I just need something to justify the higher price.

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    If you aren’t concerned with flashy setups, AirVPN might be something to check into. In terms of cost, 3 months of AirVPN cost roughly about the same as 1 month of PIA.

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      I tried AirVPN for a couple of weeks but it’s just painfully slow. Bad servers and the better ones are always full.

      I will stick to Mullvad.

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      Been using airvpn for at least a year now (2? Maybe 3, idk…) Wait I checked it’s been about 2 years. OK, anyway yeah they’re my go to recommendation for anyone moderately technical.

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      AirVPN has served me well the past 13 years. Their config generator is great, as well as the port-forwarding.

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    you might as well assume that any traffic you send to an american vpn is routed directly to the NSA, FBI, etc. get something that physically resides in a GDPR country. as for price, it’s either that or just drop the P out of VPN

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      GDPR is not relevant to state monitoring. Article 23 provides the provisions to explicitly restrict data protection rights for the purpose of eavesdropping, detection, crime prevention, etc. Its wildly open ended to the point that it makes no difference in choosing a VPN: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-23-gdpr/

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    I’ve been happy with Windscribe, though I don’t really feel that knowledgeable. They had a case dismissed against them recently, that was suing them for evidence of a user’s activity. They couldn’t provide it because they didn’t keep logs, as advertised

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    What you should also consider, do you need a VPN. If you just want to avoid region blocking, (any) will do. Just need to check if their IP range is blocked by the provider. For normal https traffic you don’t need one. Enable dns over https in your browser and your traffic is as secure and anonymous as with most commercial VPNs.
    VPNs have their use cases but we now have a decade of scareware ads from VPNs that implied our traffic is as insecure as it was in 1980. but it isn’t, you’re paying for a lava insurance. And let me say this, you can still be tracked if you use a VPN. It’s just a bit harder, like marginally

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    i use expressvpn with a dedicated uk server for streaming (as an anglophile) and mullvad wireguard on my gl ax1800 with port forwarding on the router for educational archival purposes and historical academic studies of long john silver and ive been happy.

    i have been trying out windscribe paid but not sold on it

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    Depending on your ISP and router you might be able to install WireGuard on it. More generally self-hosting a VPN is pretty straightforward.