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Interviewing Ghislaine Maxwell is the Trump administration’s first big move to allay concerns about its hugely unpopular handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche on FridayĀ wrapped up two days of interviewsĀ with Epstein’s convicted associate.

But there were already all kinds of reasons to be skeptical of this move and what it could produce, given the motivations of the two sides involved.

AndĀ President Donald Trump epitomized all of them in a major way on Friday.

While taking questions on his way to Scotland, Trump repeatedly held open the possibility of pardoning Maxwell for her crimes.

ā€œWell, I don’t want to talk about that,ā€ Trump said initially.

When pressed, he said, ā€œIt’s something I haven’t thought about,ā€ while conspicuously adding, ā€œI’m allowed to do it.ā€

This wouldn’t be the first time Trump has appeared to dangle a pardon over someone providing evidence that could impact him personally and politically. (In this case, he hasĀ demonstrated past personal ties to Epstein, and his administration is scrambling to clean up its botched handling of the Epstein files after previously promising to release them.)

A similar situation played out during the Russia investigation, when Trump repeatedly left open the possibility of pardoning key witnesses like Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn and Michael Cohen. Critics alleged this amounted to obstruction of justice.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’sĀ reportĀ didn’t draw conclusions on possible obstruction, but it did cite Trump’s pardon comments as ā€œevidenceā€ that Trump’s actions ā€œhad the potential to influence Manafort’s decision whether to cooperate with the government.ā€

Manafort indeed wound up being a decidedly uncooperative witness, with a bipartisan Senate report sayingĀ his repeated lies hamstrung its own investigation. And TrumpĀ later pardoned himĀ in a move that could certainly be understood as a reward for his lack of cooperation.

We are a joke of a nation.