• Valmond@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    The supposed beef between painters and photographers is weird, painters were often interested in photography so that they could continue paint the scene when the scene did no longer exist, it also opened up new areas for painters to explore, like impressionnism because an exact copy is kind of boring! Tedious work was offloaded onto the machine.

    People use AI to create art, but not in the way that they just do a prompt and “hop” here is art! No, it’s just easier to ask the machine to generate scenery and stuff than walking around trying to find a suitable one (for example) to help out, to try to find that elusive thing you want to capture, and then you paint. For example.

    Photography has also evolved into its own art form, maybe AI will too one say day, who knows?

    People doesn’t seem, as you suggest, to understand what art is or what it’s all about. To be fair, it’s a complex subject, but having a machine generating something is always going to be just a tool, like the painters brush is one.

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      maybe AI will too one say, who knows?

      One can hope.

      The key difference here between this and photography, though, is that photography only displaced painters. You can tell by looking whether something is a photograph or not. Usually.

      AI is very good and will only get better. When the machine can replicate any style, any subject, 3,000 times a minute: what is left for people to even do? How will you ever know a person was there?

      If these tools were built to be honest, such that you always knew when something was generated and when something wasn’t, I wouldn’t have nearly as much of a problem with it.

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        13 hours ago

        I’d argue that hyperrealism isn’t art in itself, I mean you just cosplay as a printer. It’s just technique.

        An artist must know the tools of its trade, only then can he or she make art. If you only have one technique, then you can’t express yourself, because expressing yourself is to chose between all that you know and can do and select the techniques that expresses the thing you want to express.

        Art is about expressing yourself, expressing something, AI will never take that away. The masters artworks won’t becone non-art just because a machine could paint similar paintings.

        I also doesn’t subscribe to the idea that art must be appreciated by someone, I think you can make art all by yourself (it is of course nice to be appreciated, but it’s not an obligation, again IMO), so let that AI machine produce photographs and paintings all day long, it won’t stop my struggles producing, maybe one day, a honorable painting.