• Dagwood_Sanwich@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I don’t see people in the US being dragged off for posting memes or engaging in wrongthink. Not yet anyway.

    The US is FAR less oppressive than places like the UK and Canada.

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      They literally dragged off university students for protesting Isreal, and then the President threatened states that boycott Israel. You are completely wrong on the first point.

      The US locks up more people than anywhere else in the world. I think you are not critically examining these issues and instead are going off of years of propaganda you have been spoon fed.

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        Ok, now tell me what actually happened and not the Democrat narrative.

        Also the US locks up more people than anyone else in the world because we have a much larger population than almost everyone in the world. We also have a major crime problems stemming from a culture that glorified criminal activity.

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          I am not part of the Democratic Party so I am not sure what their perspective is. My perspective is wealthy people are controlling the messaging around Palestine. The reason they effectively shut down all college protests is to control the narrative.

          This is like pro-active propaganda where you confront a problem before it becomes one. Fox News is great at this with talking heads creating the narrative to stories before they are even broken. Thus inoculating their viewers from outside opinions before they even hear them.

          You are outright wrong about your analysis of our prison system. We only account for 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s prison population.

          We have a major problem with locking people up, that is for sure.

          • YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world
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            My perspective is that you’re obfuscating from real solutions and distracting people with perceived problems. You have nothing of value to offer any debate or conversation. If we every want to know what’s wrong with the world, you’re an endless list. Ask you to take a stand on any given solution and you shut down. Why don’t you have any principles, Doomsider? Instead of telling people what we shouldn’t be doing… why don’t you let us all know what you think we should be doing?

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              Well, your perspective is just shit then I guess.

              The only person who has offered up no insight or facts is you. I mean you really are coming off as pathetic at this point.

              I will offer you this, as I can already tell you haven’t learned any lessons from history.

              You think the way to fight fascism is with violence, or perhaps more specifically to fight fascist violence with violence. This is unfortunately propaganda you have come to believe.

              The crux of your belief system is probably informed by WWII and the defeat of the Nazi empire through violence. The problem is it is not all that it seems and fascism was not defeated in WWII. In fact, the Fascist country that helped to create the Nazi empire was also the one that helped end it.

              Wealthy people in the US funded the Nazi party and then made sure there was no escape for the Jews. If the US was the good guy and not fascist then why did they do this? Why did US corporations help the Nazi empire?

              Why did the US welcome all the Nazi scientists with open arms? Why did we continue to practice eugenics if Nazism was bad?

              This is the problem of thinking a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun. The truth in this situation and most others is there is no good guy.

              You seem to miss the point of discussion. Instead of listening, you just have to be right. I am not joking when I say that you seem fascist yourself. You really do believe your ideology will somehow take hold after all the dusts settles. Just like every other fascist.

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                  We already know the answer. You think violence will solve the problem and I do not.

                  Why? Because it already didn’t work. Not only has fascism continued to spread like wildfire but the US is directly responsible for it. Hell, we literally hold the whole world hostage with our military power.

                  Just like WWI lead to WWII, more violence will lead to more fascism. You think we can murder our way out of this situation. I think that you become the problem you seek to stop. Why? Because it has already happened and will happen more.

                  The best way to stop a problem it is to first identify it. You can’t even do that. That is why we are even having a discussion at this point.

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                    So to be clear; if you don’t believe in using violence to stop violent fascism… then what do you believe will?

                    Edit; You’re falling victim to the paradox of tolerance. You’re advocating that we should tolerate intolerance lest we become the intolerant. This is where your ignorance on the subject shows. You’re not better than those who would use violence to protect, you’re an enabler of those who would use violence to destroy.

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                    You’re clearly trying to make someone build your arguments for you. If you’ve identified the problem, then please… let the rest of us know what that problem is.

                    Edit; oh wait, you want to rattle off how bad the history of the US is in order to sound the ‘let’s do nothing’ alarm in your defeatism, couched in cowardice.

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          We also have a major crime problems stemming from a culture that glorified criminal activity.

          Like having a pedophile rapist president with a fully loaded pedophile rapist cabinet?

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        3 days ago

        People claim to be “oppressed” as the government passes special laws to protect them and put their flags out everywhere. In your mind you’re oppressed.