I’m routinely surprised by just how confidentiality wrong a lot of Lemmy users are about pretty basic things. Like at least on reddit, those people would get corrected and buried in most sane boards at least, but here there seems to be an abundance of those who just want to be incorrect about dumb shit
I was swipe typing and didn’t reread what I wrote. Because it wasn’t with the effort. You’re trying to read a lot more into this than there is. It’s kind of pathetic. Run along now
Wow, so many fancy words… how about angular momentum?
And including the length of the baton and the radius of the trajectory?
Is the impact stronger if hit near the base of the baton or its extremity?
Please, get someone to hit you with one under these scenarios, you know, for science.
So if an object in motion with the force of 1 newton hits an object at rest that’s 1 newton of force applied, yes?
Now if the object instead hits an object also in motion with 0.5 newton, will the first object hit it with 1 or 0.5 newton?
I asked for the experiment or the name of the physical principle. edit: because he specifically said they teach this in elementary school… I didn’t just pull that out of a hat… also they don’t teach impulse-momentum theory in elementary school…
I’m not just asking questions I’m trying to show your claim to be false by insisting you explain yourself fully. Now that you’ve explained yourself I can explain how you’re wrong which I couldn’t do when you were arguing by insult and implication.
Your claim is dependent on a linear force application when in fact the picture makes it clear the relevant force is rotational. Higher forces occur at the tip of a swinging bat.
Oh. The baton being brought down on the guy wasn’t being swung. That’s what it is. Must just be my lying fucking eyes and personal experience with swinging things overhand ig.
Hey, just asking questions now, are you a product of the american education system?
No. It isn’t obvious to me. In fact, I can see how at a particular sweetspot of moving away from the striking baton could concentrate the force in a smaller area leading to a “harder” blow. Perhaps you could explain it to me since I apparently was sick that day in elementary school.
edit: strikethrough. when I wrote this I thought the confusion was the common elementary school misunderstanding of the difference between the “force” and “hardness” of a blow, which did not turn out to be the case and this was just a non-sequitur.
Ok, so if you run into someone standing still, that will hurt a lot, right?
Now, if you run into someone else also running who is just a bit slower than you, that doesn’t hurt as much.
It’s the same reason boxers “roll with the punch”. If a strike comes to the face they will move their head to negate/lessen the impact
That’s a flawed analogy as people tend to run horizontally.
For that to “work” you’d have to move (faster) in the same direction of the baton – meaning downwards towards the ground. Realistically you’d end up on the ground, crouching, and still within reach of a blow.
It could kinda work if the trajectory is diagonal 'cos you’d roll away but you’d still be in an awkward position to avoid a blow.
You’re assuming velocity remains constant. If you can run into the person who is also moving BEFORE THEY GET UP TO FULL SPEED, it hurts less than of you allow them room to get up to full speed.
Sure, but that wasn’t what the first commenter said. Moving away would lessen the force visavi standing still. Now if it’s better to move in or away is another question.
It’s the exact same reason that hitting a parked car is a lot less bad than hitting a car going at the same speed in the opposite direction. Or why hitting the brakes when someone’s about to rear-end you is a bad idea.
Call.
show me the elementary school science experiment that demonstrates whatever unspecified physical principle you pointedly didn’t refer to
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I’m routinely surprised by just how confidentiality wrong a lot of Lemmy users are about pretty basic things. Like at least on reddit, those people would get corrected and buried in most sane boards at least, but here there seems to be an abundance of those who just want to be incorrect about dumb shit
shh it’s a secret, he said confidently.
A Phone autoincorrect is different from a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work.
So you fundamentally misunderstand how the autocorrect works, because you blindly trust it.
I was swipe typing and didn’t reread what I wrote. Because it wasn’t with the effort. You’re trying to read a lot more into this than there is. It’s kind of pathetic. Run along now
Wow, so many fancy words… how about angular momentum?
And including the length of the baton and the radius of the trajectory?
Is the impact stronger if hit near the base of the baton or its extremity?
Please, get someone to hit you with one under these scenarios, you know, for science.
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So if an object in motion with the force of 1 newton hits an object at rest that’s 1 newton of force applied, yes? Now if the object instead hits an object also in motion with 0.5 newton, will the first object hit it with 1 or 0.5 newton?
I asked for the experiment or the name of the physical principle. edit: because he specifically said they teach this in elementary school… I didn’t just pull that out of a hat… also they don’t teach impulse-momentum theory in elementary school…
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I’m not just asking questions I’m trying to show your claim to be false by insisting you explain yourself fully. Now that you’ve explained yourself I can explain how you’re wrong which I couldn’t do when you were arguing by insult and implication.
Your claim is dependent on a linear force application when in fact the picture makes it clear the relevant force is rotational. Higher forces occur at the tip of a swinging bat.
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Oh. The baton being brought down on the guy wasn’t being swung. That’s what it is. Must just be my lying fucking eyes and personal experience with swinging things overhand ig.
Hey, just asking questions now, are you a product of the american education system?
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Yeah and that was not the answer you got but an example. Do you follow why the baton would not hit as hard if you moved away? 😄
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No. It isn’t obvious to me.
In fact, I can see how at a particular sweetspot of moving away from the striking baton could concentrate the force in a smaller area leading to a “harder” blow.Perhaps you could explain it to me since I apparently was sick that day in elementary school.edit: strikethrough. when I wrote this I thought the confusion was the common elementary school misunderstanding of the difference between the “force” and “hardness” of a blow, which did not turn out to be the case and this was just a non-sequitur.
Ok, so if you run into someone standing still, that will hurt a lot, right?
Now, if you run into someone else also running who is just a bit slower than you, that doesn’t hurt as much.
It’s the same reason boxers “roll with the punch”. If a strike comes to the face they will move their head to negate/lessen the impact
That’s a flawed analogy as people tend to run horizontally.
For that to “work” you’d have to move (faster) in the same direction of the baton – meaning downwards towards the ground. Realistically you’d end up on the ground, crouching, and still within reach of a blow. It could kinda work if the trajectory is diagonal 'cos you’d roll away but you’d still be in an awkward position to avoid a blow.
Well, he asked how it worked, and that’s how physics work. Doesn’t matter if it horisontal, diagonal or vertical
Oh, and the first commenter just mentioned moving away
Yes, so imagine a spinning broomstick. What would hurt more, getting hit at the far end from where it’s rotating or right next to where its rotating.
Or a spinning fan. Does it hurt more to stick your finger in near the motor, or at the edge.
You’re assuming velocity remains constant. If you can run into the person who is also moving BEFORE THEY GET UP TO FULL SPEED, it hurts less than of you allow them room to get up to full speed.
Sure, but that wasn’t what the first commenter said. Moving away would lessen the force visavi standing still. Now if it’s better to move in or away is another question.
It’s the exact same reason that hitting a parked car is a lot less bad than hitting a car going at the same speed in the opposite direction. Or why hitting the brakes when someone’s about to rear-end you is a bad idea.
Bats and batons are rotational, not linear. The farther you are from the fulcrum of a rotating bar, the faster it’s moving.
That’s a valid counterpoint, and it really is all situational.
Yes, but this situation is a baton being swung.
Impulse.