Okay I said clearly that Hamas entered three permanent ceasefire agreements with Israel that Israel then proceeded to break. If you care to have an honest conversation you should respond (and should have responded) to that.
I’d say the problem is that we deviated a bit from the point I originally made. I tried to point out why, realistically, a country such as Germany but also others, do support Israel - despite them waging this war the way they do. Because Israel is being threatened with annihilation - not only since Oct. 23 or since them escalating this war in the past months, but since the moment it was founded. You might think that this threat is and has been legitimate and if that’s your opinion, fine. We won’t agree on this but we also don’t have to.
Nevertheless, if you actually want to achieve these countries putting Israel under effective pressure, you’d have to acknowledge and address these threats.
Nevertheless, if you actually want to achieve these countries putting Israel under effective pressure, you’d have to acknowledge and address these threats.
Then why didn’t Western countries pressure Israel to stick to the ceasefire it had signed with Hamas in January? That should’ve been enough for them if they wanted peace.
There is a lot Israel is responsible for in this conflict and has to take care of. Ending the threat to annihilate Israel isn’t one of them. That’s a task for the side actually striving for it.
I don’t think that at least the core supporters of Israel will realistically stop supporting it as long as there is parties in the region openly aiming to destroy Israel.
So instead, as Palestinians, I’d secure my own support from these countries. The main cause of the Palestinian people, living peacefully in their own country, is absolutely non-controversial. It is only when this ‘defensive’ desire is turned into an ‘aggressive’ one by e.g. Hamas by including the entirety of Israel in this own country that support is dwindling.
I hope that Palestinians free themselves of those like Hamas who poison the rightful and appropriate cause for a Palestinian state, even if it is Netanyahus Israel that currently is in the wrong and it is so easy for me to say it. But I’m certain this isn’t about being right but about achieving something that is so long overdue.
I don’t think that at least the core supporters of Israel will realistically stop supporting it as long as there is parties in the region openly aiming to destroy Israel.
So never, because Israel will always be able to use one group or another as a “threat” to its security. After Hamas it’ll be Hezbollah, after Hezbollah it’ll be the Syrian government, and so on. Therefore waiting for Western governments to find a “solution” that fots their sensibilities is a waste of time, and we’re back where we started: fighting Zionism tooth and nail whenever and wherever we see it.
Okay I said clearly that Hamas entered three permanent ceasefire agreements with Israel that Israel then proceeded to break. If you care to have an honest conversation you should respond (and should have responded) to that.
I’d say the problem is that we deviated a bit from the point I originally made. I tried to point out why, realistically, a country such as Germany but also others, do support Israel - despite them waging this war the way they do. Because Israel is being threatened with annihilation - not only since Oct. 23 or since them escalating this war in the past months, but since the moment it was founded. You might think that this threat is and has been legitimate and if that’s your opinion, fine. We won’t agree on this but we also don’t have to.
Nevertheless, if you actually want to achieve these countries putting Israel under effective pressure, you’d have to acknowledge and address these threats.
Thanks for the discussion and have a nice day!
Then why didn’t Western countries pressure Israel to stick to the ceasefire it had signed with Hamas in January? That should’ve been enough for them if they wanted peace.
There is a lot Israel is responsible for in this conflict and has to take care of. Ending the threat to annihilate Israel isn’t one of them. That’s a task for the side actually striving for it.
Fine, so Hamas did that by signing a permanent ceasefire with Israel. What now?
The fighting stops (at least for a while) - the threat remains. As in all decades before…
So there’s nothing Palestinians can do that would make the West supporting Israel.
I don’t think that at least the core supporters of Israel will realistically stop supporting it as long as there is parties in the region openly aiming to destroy Israel.
So instead, as Palestinians, I’d secure my own support from these countries. The main cause of the Palestinian people, living peacefully in their own country, is absolutely non-controversial. It is only when this ‘defensive’ desire is turned into an ‘aggressive’ one by e.g. Hamas by including the entirety of Israel in this own country that support is dwindling.
I hope that Palestinians free themselves of those like Hamas who poison the rightful and appropriate cause for a Palestinian state, even if it is Netanyahus Israel that currently is in the wrong and it is so easy for me to say it. But I’m certain this isn’t about being right but about achieving something that is so long overdue.
So never, because Israel will always be able to use one group or another as a “threat” to its security. After Hamas it’ll be Hezbollah, after Hezbollah it’ll be the Syrian government, and so on. Therefore waiting for Western governments to find a “solution” that fots their sensibilities is a waste of time, and we’re back where we started: fighting Zionism tooth and nail whenever and wherever we see it.