This French university made the news on scientific news sources a week or so ago when they announced this, I thought it was a fluke… glad to see they are getting applicants
Of course, I am fully aware that this is just one isolated case since US-based academics would never think of applying for European positions. Most US-based academics would never know resources such as EURAXESS which hosts many academic positions in Eurozone and beyond, or jobrxiv dot org which also includes lots of European academic positions. This is not mentioning country-specific resources such as when I was lurking on jobbnorge dot no for Norwegian jobs, and a personal communication I had with someone at University of Gothenburg who was literally asking me where to look for US-based postdoctoral applicants…
Anyway what was I saying
The atmosphere is nearly perfect for an EU resurgence. American workers potentially willing to leave is only one piece of it. You also have interest in drawing together as a continent against a new shared enemy. Hell even Germany is ready to drop their spending limitations to actually try to rise to the occasion.
I really wish they’d take it a step further and pump heavy investment into the region - and not just defense. Isn’t it exactly the right time to build European industries to replace the American ones they are no longer sure they can trust?
So true! I especially hope the software industry will be a focus. That’s where security and civilian life converge and Europe has the skilled labor to pull it off.
side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.
Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?
We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.
I 100% would but being “skilled labor” kinda ruins it. I am finding out that 15 years of nuclear instrumentation work doesn’t appear to help much, at least not according to what I have found. For now though I am stuck here dealing with the insanity of America’s downfall. New plan is to save all my money to spend abroad and in Canada when on vacation. Just embarrassing to be American now.
I’d love to move to Canada. How can I find a job there?
The affordable housing is the more pressing problem.
how much worse is it than major metros in the empire?
I remember Vancouver area, all of it, spiking very fast and very hard a decade before the pandemic. I haven’t kept up with the market in a couple years though, maybe it’s gotten better?
maybe it’s gotten better
I’m sorry, you don’t seem to be familiar with the century we’re in.
I left the US for Germany almost 2 years ago now. I’m a software/aerospace engineer. It was like time traveling to the future in some ways, worker right are way better here and 6 weeks of vacation has cemented that I’ll never go back.
Now I just need to do my part to make sure conservatives don’t ruin this country any more than they already have. Not excited for Merz to get into power and continue selling out his country.
Given the AfD results I wouldnt be sure if it couldnt get much much worse.
Tbh cost of living in germany has been rising a lot and a lot of public infrastructure has been severely underfunded.
I still know people leaving for the US, but given recent developments this has been getting rarer
Back in 1945 you know how many people America took in who did any kind of scientific work. wernher von braun may be the most famous. That was just to insure that America would be leaders in the world. Now it doesn’t seem America wants to have anything to do with leading the world in any field to progresses america as a country.
Wernher Von Braun? This one?! Hahahah
Gather 'round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun A man whose allegiance Is ruled by expedience Call him a Nazi, he won’t even frown “Ha, Nazi, Schmazi” says Wernher von Braun
Don’t say that he’s hypocritical Say rather that he’s apolitical “Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That’s not my department” say Wernher von Braun
Wdym? We already have Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Horowitz, Yarvin, etc.
EDIT: apparently the sarcasm wasn’t obvious, so here’s your ‘/s’
You just named a bunch of executives. The scientists are the people that need to be working for them for their companies to keep innovating. The scientists are the ones fleeing.
It will take me sometime to save enough money, but once I do I am fleeing as well.
I’ve been saying it since 2016: the EU should start granting political asylum to people from the US.
edit: I did say political
I think we don’t want open entrance policies in place that would make it easier for MAGAs to come over. Best to have some kind of requirement which filters out the MAGAs as much as possible, say minimum education level to get a work or digital nomad visa or only people from “at risk groups” such as Transexuals qualifying for asylum.
Were I am now, Portugal, there’s pretty open immigration policy for Brazil with no actual minimum requirements and the result is that we imported a ton of far right muppets from there, to the point that in the last Brazilian Presidential election the proportion of voters for Bolsonaro in Portugal (as Brasilians can vote from abroad) was a lot larger than in Brasil - since Brasilians resident in Portugal can get Portuguese nationality after 5 years, this also help fuel the rise of the Far Right locally.
Having some kind of reasonably easy and fair system to filter out the Fascist assholes would be much better.
Nope don’t do it. U will get MAGA. Be super careful vetting anything that loves trump and musk. I myself planning on retiring early. 45 yo software engineer. I will end up in SEA in next 4 years. Getting ready to sell all my investment property here. America is not going to last for too long.
We’re already getting MAGA, thanks to the internet. It’s called far-right populism. Many of their takes are taken over from the X crazies 1:1. Sometimes they don’t even fit our situation. No matter. Flooding the zone is all that counts.
U guys need to shut down Twitter and Facebook asap. Literally block it completely. Only way and only last chance. It’s like rabies
I moved from the U.S. to Germany in 2020.
My running joke since was wondering whether I’d be eligible for citizenship or asylum first….
Almost over the finish line for being eligible for citizenship, but I feel like asylum isn’t that far off.
You don’t need asylum if you are a legal resident. Asylum is the most insecure form of permit, especially in Germany, where the society is currently getting more and more hostile to migration, including labeling countries like Afghanistan as “safe countries of origin” and organizing deportations with the Taliban.
Hence the “joke” part….
There are already a handful of good digital nomad (and other) visa options that are really tempting.
I haven’t done a TON of research here, just watched a lot of youtube videos discussing the process, daydreaming of placing some distance between myself and Trump. There are a handful of countries across Europe I’d jump at the chance to move to if there were reasonable odds to get permanent residence or citizenship.
Makes me wonder where all that money is going? I mean they must be making billions in those funding cuts. Are they all gonna funnel that money into Russia and tech oligarch’s pockets?
They want to create an oligarchy in the US.
Privatise everything and give them to their billionaire buddies to run.
Imagine the money you can make by selling weather data, gathered by government sensors. Or a private VA organisation with an exclusive contract with the government.
Selling to who?
If the masses are penniless serfs, who is going to buy the services provided? One of the other 8 billionaires who own the country?
They really haven’t considered the longer term here. Ultimately, they’ll be kings of a worthless backward shitheap, despised and shunned by the international community, their best and most promising exfiltrated to the rest of the world then fenced off to rot into obscurity.
Like North Korea, more or less.
That is exactly what they want. They want us to literally live like dark age serfs while they live in opulent and highly technologically advanced palaces that cater to them.
They don’t just want everything. They want everyone else to have NOTHING. A billionaire in a chauffered Bently that costs 500,000 dollars definitely looks down on people driving Honda Civics that cost 20,000. But imagine if they were in that Bently and the people around them had no cars, and even a bicycle is a luxury, and whatever public transport that is available is prone to breakdown. Their ability to look down upon the serfs is much greater, which is what they want.
The issue is that technology advances with the whole, the internet/smartphones/gaming etc. All benefit from large populations being able to buy/engage with them.
They don’t care. At all. They would hoard it all for themselves and use as many common people as medical guinea pigs for medical experiments to prolong their own wretched existence, too. Imagine the average ‘elite’ living 20 or 30 years longer than the ‘common’ person. They would see more superior and like gods even though they fully well know it is entirely them killing their underlings.
Trump effectively orchestrated the fucked up response to the pandemic that resulted in 500,000 deaths. They knew that far more minorities would be harmed than whites. If you think they also ultimately care about their white underlings you are wrong.
The point was, that isn’t possible. If everyone is too poor to consume, their system stops, and they aren’t rich anymore.
Long term, the snake is eating it’s own tail. What happens when it gets to it’s own head? It chokes to death (and scavengers pick over the corpse).
Either they’re too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they’re stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.
In neither scenario would I want to be living that close to the coming chaos.
Either they’re too stupid to know what happens at the end, or they’re stupid enough to think they can jump off the ride with the loot before it crashes.
Both. The answer is both. They really think they can survive environmental collapses. They would more than the average person… but not for very long.
The low prospects of jobs for undergrad who don’t have enough experience for grad schools also turns people completely away from being a scientists to, unless you have research published or significant experience in lab work prior to graduating you won’t get far, it’s also harder to get into them health, like
Canada seriously needs to make a big show of offering the same thing. It’s now or never.
Any recommendations on where to look? Specialized Sr Software Architect with a lot of Healthcare and Defense experience. I just need to be able to bring my family. Completely unconcerned about any amount of paycut. I just want my children to grow up safe. I’ve been looking at Ireland mainly, but open to any suggestions.
To add to the previous comment: netherlands but there is an housing issue. Belgium has in military the FN Herstal weapons manufacturing plant, and a few stuff linked to NATO. But on a healthcare level, there are loads of pharma companies (GSK, Johnson, UCB, Solvay, Viatrus,… ). France has Dassault, so there is loads linked with military and software alike. And they have Sanofi in healthcare.
Big companies will go through bigger loops to help you with a visa. But in any case a lot of specialities can recieve fast tracked visa applications
If you can eventually get citizenship in on EU country, you can work in any of them.
Sr Software Architect? Generally speaking, Netherlands is going to be the best salary range for you and first 5 years I believe you can get a tax cut.
In Estonia, we have Milrem, which is doing military robotics. Not sure who, if anyone, is doing a decent healthcare solution. In my country the government orders new developments through RFPs rather than some single company making and selling a solution I believe.
I suddenly like a lot of things about France.
I have a vps with OVH which is French, and pretty great.
I’ll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it’s ever available here.
I’ve also been using mistral l, a French LLM, to draft some documents lately.
I’ll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it’s ever available here.
I’m just wondering, why? Do you not have any decent broadband options available?
Fiber’s still going to be better than satellite, but obviously if you can’t get fiber, satellite is probably better than aging copper.
Yeah, at home we do have fiber.
I’d like it for my camper trailer. Something like an RV.
Here in Western Australia we have reasonably good 5G mobile coverage in cities and towns, but it’s patchy outside of those areas.
Having satellite internet really opens up a whole lot of cool places you can set up to camp.
Oh yeah, you Aussies have a huge outback, I can see it being great for usage in a camper. Boats are another great use case I think.
I don’t mean to be critical, it’s great that you know the term outback, but that’s not quite the right usage.
It tends to refer to very remote very arid places. As in outback explorers used camels and often perished due to dehydration.
We do have very lush forests with rivers and so on along the coast, which is more popular with campers than in the outback.
Oh, tbh I thought Outback referred to the Australian wilderness as a whole, though I guess I’ve mostly heard it used in the context of desert overlanding.
Then I think there’s also “the bush”. What parts of Australia does that refer to?
Yeah so bush in that context is pretty much “forest”, but Australia’s has a pretty unique vibe. In the same way jungle isn’t really “forest”.
We call areas with fairly homogeneous species a forest like karri forest or jarrah forest, but in the absence of something more specific it’s just bushland / bush.
That’s pretty cool
In Estonia we have specific words for forests of most common trees. Spruce is kuusk, spruce forest is kuusik. Pine is mänd, pine forest is männik. Etc. Otherwise it’s just “forest”.
Still, none of our forests, even ancient untouched ones, look as beautiful as the Australian rainforest. Which I’ve admittedly only seen in movies and Forza Horizon 3.
Would love to visit one day, but I’m not sure if I’m planning on ever visiting Australia. It’s so far and there’s not all that much I want to do in Australia in particular - though the car nut in me wants to drive the Mount Panorama circuit and it IS very close to Blue Mountains and a few other national parks, so if I find a few other things I’m interested in, Australia will start looking pretty attractive. I mean there’s the great barrier reef too, but I think the reef tourism is actually very damaging for the reef, so it’s best not to go see that?
I’m doing my part fleeing to Sweden, granted I’m a programmer and game dev so not a scientist. I’m done letting the US profit off my skills though
I assume you’re taking a big hit salary-wise (a trade-off I would make, for the record).
Well I’m going back to school there first to get an actual degree. After that though yeah I’m expecting to make around 1/3 what I am currently, between switching countries and going from automation engineering to level design. I think it’ll be a worthwhile trade-off too
Out of interest, since moving continents is no small matter in my opinion; what makes that, and making a third in terms of salary vs the US, a worthwhile trade-off?
Not OP but like come on, look outside - the country is a roadside attraction. I wouldnt raise my kids there under any circumstance…so I guess safety is a consideration.
Yeah I know but didn’t want to assume. Some people have family roots for example. I do work with US colleagues and not all feel the need to move countries for example, which I find very interesting because it sure looks like a shit show to me. I’m not based in the US myself.
I was actually just starting to root here, for the first time in my life I felt like I could settle in somewhere. Then my polycyle imploded, lost most my friends, divorce, job is getting worse every day. Leaving the US has always been a dream of mine but I felt tied here most the time. Losing my entire social circle created a convenient opening
I have never heard that word before, am I to take it that your entire social circle was based on a sexual relationship?
Best of luck with it all, definitely get out of that shithole.
