cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971

Posting here for preservation’s sake

Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced?

You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.

This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

    • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
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      1 day ago

      Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I’ve proposed in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don’t know why they thought it would fly here.

      I’ve got no real problem with folks taking that position tbh, but it’s not ok to dogpile posts on our communities like has happened here. I’m also somewhat sympathetic to the argument that GenAI is having an impact on artists’ livelihoods. But they haven’t connected the dots that this is only an issue because of greedy corporations trying to fuck over artists. They are directing all their anger towards GenAI instead of the real source of the problem. By all means advocate for greedy corporations to stop using AI to increase their profits at the expense of artists. But to come into a leftist space and demand that we stop using AI too is at best tokenistic, and at worst just serves to obfuscate the fundamental problem.

      The users engaged in trolling here and tying to excuse it as “activism” should think harder about who they are fighting with and why. Even if we did capitulate and ban genAI, that would have zero impact on artists, because we don’t pay for artists in the first place. It’s nothing but virtue signalling and tokenism. The Luddites didn’t go around breaking into peoples houses and smashing their spinning wheels. They went to factories owned by rich men and companies to destroy machinery in order to disrupt production and fight for workers rights and safety. Good on them too! If the anti genAI brigade were fighting against Getty’s (or Adobe, etc.) use of AI that might actually have a useful leftist purpose, and the analogy with the Luddites would work. Instead they are here causing a nuisance in a leftist community, over some random crossposted GenAI meme. Good work guys - job done I guess, the capitalists must be quaking in their boots right now because of your “activism”.

        • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
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          5 hours ago

          I get your point but I’d like to be able to be able to push back against this type of behaviour at an instance level if required, without the anti GenAI crowd complaining about there not being a specific instance level rule against it. I think I’m in favour of generalizing the rule though as suggested by other commenters, so that it covers things like anti-piracy activism in c/piracy too, for example. Some communities are intended for debate, and others are just communities of shared interests where folks want to learn and hang out, but not be dogpiled with hateful comments attacking their interests. And lastly, GenAI is a core founding theme of our instance, so it makes sense (to me) to make the rule instance level as well.

        • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
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          17 hours ago

          I’m not sure about that one but feel free to community ban them if they have been downvoting a lot. I instanced banned the (almost) empty account you mentioned. Fuck those guys. I hope you can feel free to reach out to me or one of the other admins if you get cyberbullied and you need someone to disclose to.

      • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        23 hours ago

        Yeah I agree, the Anti AI movement (and it is a movement) is extremely reactionary and doesn’t accomplish anything. Certainly isn’t helping artists. And yeah they’re not even comparable to luddites who went after factories back in the day. Anti-AI trolls are going after individual people, often harassing people, also deciding to use any arguments even ones proven to be lies or faulty. They’re inadvertently helping big corporations by making themselves and their movement look like quacks or trolls.

        Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I’ve proposed in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don’t know why they thought it would fly here.

        Did you post it yet? I didn’t see it there.

        • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.ee
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          5 hours ago

          The Luddites were a 19th century guerrilla movement that smashed textile machines, burned factories and threatened their owners. But they were not motivated by a fear of technology […] the luddites […] were engaged in the most science-fictional exercise imaginable – asking not what a technology does, but who it does it to and who it does it for. The Luddites, you see, were skilled weavers whose intense physical labor produced the textiles that clothed the nation. The difficulty of their trade – both in terms of esoteric knowledge and physical prowess – allowed them to command high wages and good working conditions.

          All that was threatened by the advent of textile machines, which produced more fabric in less time, and required less skill. The owners of textile factories bought these machines with profits derived from the weavers’ labor, and then used those machines to grind down the weavers. Their hours got longer, their pay got shorter, and many of them were maimed or killed by the new machines.

          Weaving engines are ingenious and delightful machines. The Luddites had no beef with the machines – their cause was the social relations that governed those machines. By painting Luddites as mere technophobes, we strip ourselves of the ability to learn from history. The lesson of the Industrial Revolution is that merely asking what a machine does and not who it does it for and to can lead to literal genocide.

          https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/04/general-ludd/

          • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
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            5 hours ago

            The Luddites had no beef with the machines – their cause was the social relations that governed those machines

            Agreed, and I have no beef with the Luddites. I’m fully supportive of the effort to hold commercial AI corporations accountable for the way they are enabling owners of capital to exploit AI to cause harm to artists and other workers. But if the anti-GenAI crowd followed the example of the Luddites, they shouldn’t be blaming the tooling. If they went after those who create and/or use the tooling to exploit people, rather than attacking those who use the tools (especially for a positive or harmless purpose) then I’d be fully supportive of that goal. Instead they are too busy cyber-bullying fellow Lemmy users and mods.

            • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.ee
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              3 hours ago

              Yeah, there was an “anti-art-theft” account on tumblr that just went around harassing people for using ai.
              One person has a pixel art plant pfp which was blurry from image compression, so the account thought it was ai, the person with the plant pfp was harassed about it, even though they didn’t use ai.

              even if they did use ai, I don’t see why you’d want to harass someone for that anyway.

              my point is, a lot of anti-ai stuff will end up affecting real artists anyway.