- cross-posted to:
- justpost@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- justpost@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971
Posting here for preservationās sake
Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and othersā be silenced?
You canāt say youāre against disinfo if youāre knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didnāt even remove the Reddit watermark.
This is why I donāt assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! youāre shut out of it completely. Theyāve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.
I guess I donāt understand the correlation between banning speech that hurts no one, (a computer does not have feelings, nor is it sentient) and mutual aid? What barriers are you trying to collectively overcome by not allowing folks to discuss the benefits, risks and/or negatives of AI in our lives? It feels akin to someone telling me global warming and climate change arnt real so I should fuck off, I donāt belong, that speech is banned.
Anarchism is older than AI, I guess thatās where I feel the shift, and I only feel it here. Being new to lemmy, these two Incorporated ideas, Iāve never seen together before.
Side tangent, so you know where i am coming from. My definition of Anarchism stems from the early 90ās punk scene. In the late 90s, I was taught some of my computer literacy from a man who once hacked the KKK website back when, and made a mockery of it, told me he held the domain for so many months. His probation wouldnāt even allow him access to a land line it was absurd. He showed me how to use IRC, and I thought it was incredible, and glorious. That was freedom, of course until the power caught on. Even then, we persist.
I donāt understand how discussing the dangers of AI is withholding anyoneās freedom, nor do I understand how banning the speech is mutual aid.
I guess I can understand you want to protect your group of folks from people constantly questioning something you strongly believe in. But my previous questions stand. If you are up to it, feel free to enlighten me, I am an old goat these days, and I really am curious.
Edit, I guess I never thought of mutual aid as anything more than helping your neighbors and community physically, I never saw mutual aid as protecting thoughts. I guess if you reframe the definition to also protecting thoughts, and beliefs, I can see how you would consider this mutual aid, as youāre trying to protect your group from bombardment of arguing on the topic. I do think itās a bit of a stretch to define it in such way, but I can respect it. My goal isnāt to seek argument, but to be informed. I only asked here because the topic came up, I generally ignore the AI conversations, The idea of banning speech just, should always be looked at speculatively, generally, the folks who are banning speech arenāt the good guys, as history tells. But sometimes itās proper, is it proper here? I donāt know, and of course, I donāt think itās up for you or me to decide, but rather collectively.
Personally I am super aware AI can be used to manipulate and persuade large swaths of people. The potential for abuse is easy for me to see. While it is a neat tool, I was more fascinated with fungi and the intelligence new science is finding within it today, than I am with algorithms and other non tanglible things. I am very cautious of my privacy, and not very tech savvy anymore, as its gotten more complicated.
This is where the fear, for me, of AI comes in. As our government swings more fascist here where I live, Iām weary of anyone making large promises of itās benefits without questions, and I only commented because I have these thoughts, and then see in a conversation on the topic, people saying itās not anarchist and speech questioning a specific technology should be banned. A technology usually funded by billionaires, or upper class folks who donāt understand working class struggle. The comment to ban speech on the negatives of AI just set off mad flags for me, so I thought Iād ask for more clarification.
Thereās a big difference between discussing the pro/cons of something, and brigading communities on a pro-AI instance to push your own agenda. As of this moment, people have already been banned in the last 24 hours for vote manipulation, and more than one person has spun up alts to comment and vote on topics theyāve already put in their word on.
Thereās a very simple word to describe whatās happening to db0, and that word is an attack. When youāre attacked, you defend yourself. Nobody is banning anti-AI speech, weāre banning it here. This instance does not represent the entirety of the fediverse. Nobody banned here is being kept from posting that speech literally anywhere else.
Heard, I wish this was the first response. Thank you for taking the time to clarify.
Iād encourage you to read the experience of one of our mods in this post to better understand the impact of this type of behaviour on our mods and users: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521. Itās by no means a victimless activity. We arenāt proposing to ban discussion about AI. If someone wants to make a post in an appropriate community like the /0 main community about our GenAI policy then that is totally fine. But dogpiling the comments of posts in a community that doesnāt prohibit GenAI is just trolling imo.