cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29061644
We’ve done it, we got rid of another soulless right wing politician!
Peter Dutton first made his party lose this election and now also lost his own seat much like Pierre Pullover
We’ve still got a government that green-lit new coal power plants in it’s last term, screwed over the Aboriginal community with a poorly run referendum, and still doesn’t give a shit about climate change, but baby steps hey.
We have a basic rule that the headline must match the article. Current headline reads:
“Peter Dutton to leave Coalition leaderless, conceding he has lost his seat of Dickson”
I’ll give you a fair shot to correct it before just removing it.
Done. Only because I respect you.
It doesn’t make sense that rule. But you’ll disagree anyway and there’s never a chance of winning a mod argument anyway.
The article headline you want is pointless and meaningless to the 99% of the world who visits this.
Peter Dutton to leave Coalition leaderless, conceding he has lost his seat of Dickson
I added context and a little bit of juice to it so it would make for a better headline for non-Australians. Did I add some anti Trump sentiment? Sure. Did that misconstrue the content of the article? No.
I understand the current rule makes it easy to mod the place, but it also means you don’t let the OP add context for Lemmy. The rule should be: you can’t misconstrue the content of the article.
Anyway, I appreciate all you mods do and I respect the rules that are in place.
Thanks @kingofras@lemmy.world ! I know the rules are a pain, but really it helps prevent shitposting. Imagine coming into a community and just seeing variations on “xxx is a dumbass/shithead/etc. etc.” all the way down. :)
All good. Thanks for all you do around here!
Your original headline was better. New one makes no sense to me M
I disagree.
Not modifying headings is a fairly universal rule.
Making it “easier to mod” is an understatement. If you let people “adapt titles to be more suitable for lemmy” or whatever you did, then you’ll spend all day having arguments about what adoptions are appropriate. It’s unworkable with volunteer mods.
It’s so pathetic that the top comment chain is discussing this pedantic issue instead of the actual article. Thank god for this moderation or my experience may have been slightly degraded.
It’s a pretty fundamental aspect of content aggregators. If posters editorialise the articles they post it becomes an echochamber for a very confined range of opinions.
Didn’t say moderation isn’t necessary, it is. What I said is it’s sad the top comment chain is about moderation.
I opened this post to read comments out of curiosity, I still don’t even know the context of this article because the top comment is about the title which I find sad.
Counterpoint. I posted an article from the Australian national broadcaster. They have their flaws but they aint breitbart.
While I sensationalised the title and added my 2 cents in the original OP I cross posted to this community, I linked to a nice source and created a more world context friendly title, yet far from disingenuous click bait.
The upvotes and the comments are largely based on that.
What this rule is currently accomplishing:
- people will just post sensationalist sources with clickbaity titles and questionable journalism
- or people will create sensationalist titles for neutral higher quality sources and then the top comment is always going to be about this level of virtue signalling.
What’s the point of a community if these are the rules? You’re asking for bad sources and at best or you’re just a comment section provider for legacy media.
Why has everyone started saying “counterpoint” all of a sudden. Every comment is a counterpoint.
Counterpoint. Hopefully people aren’t idiots that upvote sensational headlines.
Counterpoint. Everything I already said.
Counterpoint. You could make your own community where people sensationalise headlines.
Counterpoint: I haven’t noticed that being a trend until this thread.
I’m curious what your headline orginally was
You can see it in the crosspost
Ty! Makes a bit more sense as it does give context. The ‘booting to the curb’ was a bit editorialized. But if like me, you have no idea who Dutton and Dickson are it’s a lot clearer.
Just remove it.
People who do this shit are actively making this place worse.
Lol “the people actually making content are the problem” y’all are fucking clowns.
Can we just be loose with the moderation while the “top” posts don’t even get 2k upvotes.
It gave lemmy content, it led to engaging discussions, who tf cares if the title is bad.
Jesus Christ I don’t understand this mentality
You’ve made 3 posts in 2 years, op contributed to more fediverse in a day than you did in two years.
You really want to make this place better, then quit your removedin or contribute more and your removedin will be more understandable
Editorialized titles distract from the content. There’s enough crazy ass shit happening globally that the added sensationalism isn’t necessary.
Either way, maybe calm down a bit lmao.
maybe calm down a bit
While my tone wasn’t cordial it also wasn’t ALL CAPS SAYING KYS
You may be projecting a bit?
Regardless I’ve seen this garbage take on lemmy enough that I’m not going to politely point out the fault. I’ll check their Lemmy contributions and call them fucking clowns if they are saying silly shit like “remove content me no likey for pendantic reasons” while contributing nothing to posts.
It’s alotta reddit entitlement and I will attempt to call it out when i see it and I’m not going to be pleasant about it
If you take an article title directly from a local newspaper and post it verbatim on World News, nobody will know what the fuck it’s about and regardless of its content, it won’t see the light of day. It’s important that the article title is relevant to the audience.
Okay, provided and example of this.
Jfc, it’s like I’m talking to kids lol.
At your service.
That’s what I thought about you when I read your message.
Man fuck em, thank you for adding to the fediverse OP! You should look at non .world communities. .world is the more shitty instance filled with “um actually…” Style users and mods
I felt anxious during this election, but since the votes got counted on the 3rd, it’s such an amazing feeling, since we had Labor in last term and this term will just extend their efforts, especially with healthcare, energy and other policies, while the Liberals wanted to make an Aussie DoGE, which is an objectively shit idea.
LOLLLLLLL
REST IN PISS YA WON’T BE MISSED LIB-TURD
Be sure to cauterize the wound or else two more heads will grow in its place
Bravo to the Australian voters. However, you should have purchased the submarines from the French.
That was done by the conservatives
Shouldn’t have bought any subs at all, but sure.
While I’m extremely happy about the election results, let’s not forget that the Conservatives were on track to sweep before Trump shit the bed so badly that the entire world had to hold its nose.
perhaps, but they also had an absolutely miserable campaign and labor was phenomenal… it wasn’t a single issue that they won on
Omg I posted this in the wrong thread! This was in reference to Canada’s election.
I guess most of that I said can still be salvaged 😂
There was a definite trump effect, just not as bigly as it was in Canada.
The conservative leader did nominate a a grossly unqualified “efficiency” minister who claimed she would “make Australia great again”.
As an American working on moving to Australia this was great news to wake up to!
Make sure you open a Seattle style teriyaki joint there!
Don’t think I haven’t thought about it! I joke with my wife I’m going to open Cascadia Teriyaki in Australia and introduce them to Seattle style Teriyaki and Marionberry pie.
The Trump effect is wild lmao
It’s only partially responsible for this.
Significantly partially. In January Dutton started to style himself after Trump, even going so far as getting tips from the GOP, after Trump’s win. However by mid-March Dutton was trying to backpedal rapidly but it was too late. Clearly not all his staff got the memo (esp Jacinta Price… oh dear) and everything he did or said could be met with a variation of “hold on, last week you were saying x”.
Also I’d like to once again say thanks to the founders that gave us compulsory, preferential voting.
thanks to the founders that gave us compulsory, preferential voting
Not sure if sarcastic or not, but it made me look up when these things were introduced. Preferential voting was 1918 by Billy Hughes Nationalist Party. Compulsory voting was a state thing, starting with QLD in 1925 and ending with SA in 1942.
King Midas
I hate the fact that it had to be the US that fell to these fascists… but at least it put the rest of the world on notice.
Yeah we kinda hate it too.
Love to see it.
Nobody wants to let Dutton be another Trump
Trump is dismantling the US government so his billionaire friends can buy it. He’s not building a global populist movement, he’s siezed power and he’s using it for petty, selfish ends. The whole world can see it plainly
The rise of fascism in the US may have heralded worldwide rises in conservativism for a time, but now that Trump has absolute power, he’s not bothering to hide his intentions. It’s swung back the other way, now the US is making the world less fascist
Fascism’s win condition is always its own destruction. It’s a death cult. It can’t win worldwide because it promotes selfish leaders who sabotage the movement for personal enrichment
It’s gonna be okay, everyone
They’re not going to stop trying just because they lost an election. Don’t become complacent. Victory has not yet been accomplished, defeat has been postponed.
Fascism is an existential threat to all democratic countries.
The Australian Liberal party (note, they’re the Conservative Party) has taken an anti-climate change to the Australian electorate for a decade. Over time they lost power, they lost seats to independents who are aligned to Liberal party except on climate change, and now they’ve been reduced to a puddle due in part to their anti-climate agenda. There’s practically zero chance that the Liberal Party will ever campaign on an anti-Climate Change platform (despite what their corporate overlords want). Which means we may finally have clean air for a debate on policy and politics that’s not being hijacked by bullshit fossil fuel arguments.
This is progress, for sure.
Not sure. I can see them go full Trump and get aligned with our extreme right wing parties and billionaires and make their own truth social and just double down hard calling it a hoax. All the flooding is just weather engineering with chemtrails, didn’t you know?
I can see them go full Trump and get aligned with our extreme right wing parties and billionaires and make their own truth social and just double down hard calling it a hoax.
They might do that but it would mean political extinction. The Liberals simply cannot form government through appealing to fringes on the right, it just doesn’t work like that in Australia with compulsory voting. At this election there was literally a Trump party running in every seat, funded by a billionaire who was spending insane amounts of money (as he has done in previous cycles). He gained absolutely nothing and actually went backwards.
That seems unlikely based on last night’s outcome.
Trumpism has a stink on it.
Dutton was trotting out some Trump rhetoric in the last 2 weeks and Australian voters have issued an emphatic, resounding rejection.
I expect a reformed liberal party will go back to their roots of fiscal and social conservatism, but do anything to avoid the culture war.
It’s important to point out that they didn’t just “lose” an election, and it wasn’t only because of Trump.
They’ve been gutted. So many senior party members lost their seats they can’t figure out who’s the next party leader.
Yup, this will be what triggers them to go all in on nazism, same thing happened to America’s Republicans.
I was just listening to something that said the liberal seat losses were predominantly the moderates. The hard-line conservatives fared better, so you might be right.
I’m not steeped in Australian politics like I am in US politics, please correct me if I am wrong, but there are some things I’ve heard (though they may be out of date) that work in the left/center’s favor more than the right, particularly that young Australian men do not seem to be pulling hard right like their US counterparts. Also, it is my understanding that “minor” political parties are more popular and feasible than in the US. Probably the biggest thing working against radicalization is ranked choice voting, it probably splits right more than the left. However, your right wing parties risk losing their identity if they move left and will have to be very competitive as moderates, where they could probably secure a much more ideologically “pure,” resilient, and loyal base by going further right.
young Australian men do not seem to be pulling hard right
I think this is true. Of course there are some who are, but there are fewer than in the US. There is much less “machismo” in Australian culture, there’s still masculinity but it’s focused on sport, cars, outdoor stuff like fishing and camping. It’s much less concerned with power, control, or force.
“minor” political parties are more popular and feasible than in the US.
Yes, and yes it’s because of ranked choice voting. In the recent election there were a lot of seats where Labor (center left) and Liberal (center right) received similar numbers of votes, but then a third candidate from the greens (further left) had an almost equal number of the primary vote. When those voters second preferences are counted enough of them voted center left to push them over the line.
This happens with independent candidates also, who have put on a very impressive show in the most recent election. I’m a bit vague on this part but candidates who won a significant number of votes this time round will receive financial support from the Australian Electoral Commission for their campaign next time.
your right wing parties risk losing their identity
Yeah so our Liberal (center right) party has been whingeing a lot about this. They’re saying they have the further right parties stealing votes from them, and Labor on the center right.
This is exactly the same for Labor (center left) because they have Liberal on their right and the Greens on their left.
That’s politics.
A phrase that’s been coming up a lot in the last 24 hours is that the Liberal party should return to their roots of being “fiscally dry”. That is their identity. Lower taxes, fewer services, small government. They got lost in the weeds trying to get elected on a Trump platform which thankfully the Australian people have rejected.
Thank you so much for your time! Being an American there is a real dearth of information about the politics of other countries, at least in terms of what is “fed” to me via social media and legacy news.
I really wish my country could have learned some lessons from your guys’ election system, it seems much better tuned in terms of producing democratic results and avoiding polarization.
I’m glad our fuck up in the US is inspiring others to step back from the edge. It’s at least a silver lining I can console myself with while everything crumbles around me.
I think it wasn’t so much your fuck-up, as much as an opportunist fuckwit thinking he could emulate that style and that it would work here without the decades of groundwork that made enough people stupid enough to fall for it.
and hopefully all these conservative losses means more governments pushing back against trump harder, which can only mean good things for yall too!
Man the fact that we’re at the stage of posting an image with a caption within a frame on a wall within a picture within a comment within a forum is kind of fucking with me just a little bit.
Somebody screencap this whole situation and post it on Mastodon and Bluesky, then take a screenshot of that and post it back here on Lemmy.
The front fell off.
That’s not very typical.
This forward progress to the human race is brought to you by the color ORANGE.
We proudly demonstrated to the world the proper direction to go.
Our loss is your gain.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive. They are centre-right by the most recent assessment of their values and support a variety of cunts in toxic industries who fund their campaigns.
The libs (our very right wing major party) ran an exceptionally incompetent campaign, with Dutton as a key soulless idiot who can’t admit to mistakes when it hits him in the face. They had a bit of headwind from the global anti Trump sentiment, but it wasn’t like we were in the same situation like Canada.
Regionally we already ARE the 51st state of the USA, because we provide them with much needed Southern Hemisphere intelligence bases which Australians have no right to visit, and they are our protector against any major military threat in the region.
It’s a minor victory for any progressive minded person, as any mention of action on the climate emergency was stupifyingly absent from the entire campaign.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive
I’m not sure how any of these things scream right wing:
- Nine out of 10 GP visits to be bulk-billed
- A rebate on household and small business power bills of $150
- First home buyers access to 5 per cent mortgage deposits
- Cutting a further 20 per cent off all student loans
- Delivering two “modest” tax cuts on July 1, 2026
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-28/election-2025-key-promises-labor-coalition/104717394
I’m not sure how support for universal healthcare, renewables and the party having a gender quota is ‘anything but progressive’ but sure, they’re centre right if your definition of right wing is anything right of the greens
Happy to have a bit of a debate over that. You can put them dead centre if that makes you feel better.
They certainly have some positives for the general public, and more so than the $.25 rebate promised by LNP. However, the majority of stuff they offer are stopgaps, instead of fixing the real underlying issues. High power bills aren’t going to go down with one off rebates. First home buyers 5% isn’t fixing the housing supply, or over demand, nor is it a solution to anyone over 40 who still hasn’t been able to buy, because a 5% deposit means you’ll pay for forever and then some. Same with tax cuts. Also Tax Cuts are right wing, though they are usually for the wealthy.
They are still all for really terrible corporate developments, they are still cosy with the coal lobby, they’re just smart enough to not bring a big beautiful lump of coal into parliament anymore. They won’t tax mega corporations fairly, they won’t do anything for the climate emergency, just boost green energy, without any serious international commitments or plans to reduce or go net zero in this term of this new government. None of that anywhere.
They tried one terribly worded referendum which probably blew the Aboriginal community a chance at some form of reconciliation for the next half a century, and there’s no more follow up. They have no solid plan for the housing crisis, just a few hand outs.
It’s not screaming right wing, and I didn’t say it was, and it certainly isn’t Trumpism, and our democracy is bar none one of the best and most secure in the world, but it isn’t progressive or left at all. It is fairly competent centrism, maintaining the status quo for corporate Australia, while minimally appeasing the plebeians, because thank fuck, it could have been so much worse. it is a shameful far cry from what we needed in order to really respond to the situation we’re in on the global timeline.
I’m a kiwi, so I only hear about Australia’s most significant developments, but even then, some of the claims you’re making are wrong.
the majority of stuff they offer are stopgaps, instead of fixing the real underlying issues.
They’re probably putting in stopgaps to make it less painful while the fixes to the underlying issues gain steam.
High power bills […]
This will probably be solved (or stop getting worse) as a side effect of Future Made in Australia investing in the Australian manufacture of renewable energy technologies, as Australian made versions are likely to be cheaper than global competitors (at least in Australia). It’s also important to note that rising energy prices is not just an Australian problem, considering NZ’s wholesale electricity price has risen >30% despite 80% of our electricity coming from renewables (and doesn’t have variable running costs).
[…] housing supply, or over demand, […]
This will probably be mitigated by the Housing Australia Future Fund as it is set up to be able to spend $500 million per year on housing in perpetuity without any additional funding. This means they could technically “sell” something like 2000 houses a year for free forever. On a more realistic note they could take a $50k loss on 10000 houses per year to help mitigate the housing supply problem.
[…] tax cuts.
It is technically possible to have tax cuts that benefit only those who are not already rolling in it, but those kinds of tax cuts are so uncommon you’re likely to see a unicorn before they happen. The tax cuts are probably going to be something like the tax cuts we saw over here where the only ones that benefit are the already very wealthy.
[…] they are still cosy with the coal lobby, […]
I was under the impression that they were majorly funded by the unions. Considering this winge piece complains about the mining industry paying 5x more in tax than they used to and makes the misleading insinuation that it is paying the majority of Australia’s tax share, I’d say that they’re probably not funded by the mining lobby. (Values from the Australian Treasury suggest that they’re paying <10% of the total tax income)
[…] they won’t do anything for the climate emergency [and they don’t have any] plans to reduce or go net zero in this term of this new government.
They appear to have this net zero plan I found on a .gov.au website? I notice it doesn’t target net zero within the next 3 years because that’s simply impossible. The climate action tracker suggests that Australia is doing better than NZ in terms of climate policy, especially considering our action is considered “highly insufficient.”
You make the claim that it isn’t progressive, but over here it certainly would be. Either way, we can still celebrate that it isn’t Trumpism.
ty mate, amazing response
We’re in the land of Democrats sucking on billionaires’ toes and Republican Nazis. There are very few things that aren’t left of our politics.
Albo himself is fairly progressive, but has been pushed further to the right by Labor.
Labor’s policies over time have become increasingly more conservative. Yes, they still have some progressive policies, but all of the things you’ve listed are a direct response to one issue that a lot of voters are struggling with - cost of living.
Telling people that they’ll be more financially secure is a no-brainer for any political party, regardless of ideology.
For more on Labor’s shift to the right: https://socialjusticeaustralia.com.au/labor-partys-shift-to-right/
Also is on the right, he’s part of the Right faction within labor and was one of the ‘faceless men’ that removed our best PM in living memory, Kevin Rudd.
I’m a huge Rudd fan but you have to admit he wasn’t progressive. The man ran on a technocrat platform and was just as in favour of the status quo’s policies as Gillard. He wasn’t exactly a Burnie firebrand
- Nine out of 10 GP visits to be bulk-billed
Working in a GP practice. The deal they are offering to GP’s are pretty bad and the only ones taking the offer is the 5minute doctors
- Delivering two “modest” tax cuts on July 1, 2026
Lets hope it is not just to the wealthy
- First home buyers access to 5 per cent mortgage deposits
Damn. This one is pretty good. I wish Canada did this.
Australian housing market is possibly even more fucked up than ours is FYI
The ALP are hardly Whitlam-style socialists, but they’re somewhat more progressive than UK Labour, in that they at least purport to be progressive, rather than banking their capital, rewarding donors and distracting the public with culture wars inherited from the Tories.
Mind you, they do most of that when the Greens hold their feet to the fire. With Labor having a lower house majority, it will depend on the Senate to force them to do the right thing.
Ah yes that old chestnut. The ALP isn’t perfect so we shouldn’t vote at all. You do realise that we have to vote here in Australia so vibe based voter suppression techniques don’t really work here. The perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of the good.
it’s okay to criticise… i saw noting anywhere about anyone saying we shouldn’t vote, or even vote for ALP
Easy tiger. I voted yesterday. Pipe it down a notch.
It must be stated that the Labor party here are anything but progressive.
Coming from a Lemming this means less than nothing.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot mate?!?
Labour in the UK is looking so fucking stupid right now
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