Someone shared this with me earlier today, and it’s such a perfect example of the type of victim blaming crap marginalized groups have to hear all the time from this type of privileged “former” conservative

    • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneM
      25·
      6 days ago

      One of the things I’ve seen is normalization of their “enemies”. Seeing trans people, muslims, jews, foreigners, feminists being just normal people.

      In the right wing bubble all feminists are “crazy” so when they meet people that just are, then that can crack the worldview.

      • nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        8·
        6 days ago

        Unfortunately to a lot of right wing people ive talked to im just “one of the good ones”, which obviously is meaningless when theyre trying to erase our existence.

        Some folks are swayed by just being around a real queer person with feelings and emotions though, instead of just being a statistic to bash on the tv screen

        • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
          3·
          6 days ago

          This is also true, and I’ve seen it happen. The important thing to remember unlike Steve Bootlicker up there is the burden is not ever on us to change them, and it is never our fault they are conservatives, no matter what we do.

          • tama@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            5 days ago

            Curious how he’s gotten termed Steve bootlicker. I haven’t seen content in a bit and used to watch some TikTok’s relating to education and politics in Alberta for sure.

            • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
              2·
              5 days ago

              I don’t know who he is. I’m just calling him that based on this particular post. For all I know, he might be a fine person who just had a bad take. I just loathe the gaslighting about “mean leftists made me conservative”

              I know some anarchists from Alberta, but they’ve never mentioned him.

    • AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org
      9·
      6 days ago

      Depends, I guess.

      If someone is a full on Nazi, dont waste your time, punch.

      If someone is being a piece of shit in public dont even tell them their wrong or debate with em just tell them “Hey you’re being an asshole”, aim for their ego cause its rarely socially acceptable to be a piece of shit.

      If someone is offhandedly bringing up righ-wing rhetoric, consider if you have the energy to show compassion and think you are able to have a calm conversation with them, break that loneliness and isolationism the right deploys. If you dont have that energy, hold on to it for the next time you see someone on the pipeline.

      Also its gonna be hard, but try to not get too combatative. It might push them deeper down the pipeline.

      I’m all for punching Nazis, and calling out assholes to make them face up to their actions. We’ve only got so much energy to use, and deprogramming is a long process for some people.

      Also no conversation I’ve had online with the right or the left match tbe conversations you’d have in person. Like online people on the left wanna group up into their tiny little cliques and in person its always more about the nuance of each subgenres style. So i figure talking to the right in person is also more effective than online.

      This is all anecdotal, I’ve had a couple of friends and people I know be taken off the pipeline. Its a process, you gotta pick your battles carefully.

    • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6·
      5 days ago

      If you want a real chance; you have to convince them that their real enemies are the billionaires who are lying to them. They hate the oligarchy just as much as we do, they just think that the terrible things being done to them by our oligarchs are actually the fault of immigrants or trans people.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      5 days ago

      I don’t; that’s not how minds change. I argue with them a lot and maybe over years they’ll get it and credit themselves. Nobody ever says “gee that’s a logical argument so I agree with you now.”

      • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
        73·
        6 days ago

        It’s gross and inappropriate to blame oppressed people in any way for the choices of their oppressors. It’s even worse to do so through tasteless sarcasm.

        You can return to this community if you change your view about this.

    • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
      1014·
      6 days ago

      Also, this liberal clearly didn’t “convert” or he’d be taking personal accountability and asking for forgiveness instead of placing some of the blame on his victims

    • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
      1013·
      6 days ago

      I’m not an evangelist and it’s not my place to persuade them that other people deserve equity. Make it impossible for them to exist openly as Nazis in society.