• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    2 days ago

    None of them are in the Democratic party.

    Tankie nonsense. There are plenty of good Democrats, they just aren’t the ones running the party. There is a huge tendency for activists to think that anyone who doesn’t act like an activist is insufficiently devout. We need activists, and we need politicians. Successful politicians can’t act like activists. What you demand will just lead to a permanently edgy and permanently irrelevant movement.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Any good Democrat would have left the party or started doing deliberate sabotage on the basis of the party’s unflinching Zionism. Successful politicians can’t act like activists? Yeah that’s why they keep capitulating to billionaires and the weapons industry.

      This should be simple enough: the Democrats are an explicitly genocidal party. You know only 13 Democrats voted against the house bill to define anti-ziomism as antisemitism? Stop being a smug liberal and seriously take a look at this party. The greatest humanitarian crisis of the current day is the genocide in Gaza. It’s such a horrifying brutal catastrophe that I can’t even begin to use words to describe how much I hate the ghoulish freaks in the US state who perpetuate it.

      Fuck off with your smug accusations of being a tankie. What are Democrats then? Dronies? Hospital-bombies? What do you call a party that authorized $18 billion in money and guns to a theocratic, ethnic supremacist nation that kept 2 million people in a cage?

      Any democrat whose name isn’t Rashida Tlaib should be viewed with intense suspicion simply on the basis of their hesitancy in regards to Palestine.

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        23 hours ago

        Any good Democrat would have left the party

        Oh yeah. They would be much more effective sitting on the sideline removed like you than being in congress. /s

        or started doing deliberate sabotage…

        If you think they are capable of sabotaging the party more effectively than establishment Democrats have already been doing, I’d love to hear how.

        You know only 13 Democrats voted against the house bill to define anti-ziomism as antisemitism?

        Let me bring you back to the discussion we are having since zealots tend to put everyone in the “other” bucket and lose track. Your assertion that I disagreed with was that all “good people with conviction” are not in the Democratic party. Every one of those Democrats stood up to the millions of dollars that APAC will likely throw into removing them from their seats. If just one is a good person of conviction than you are wrong. And that is just the US house. Also, if you are talking about the Antisemitism Awareness Act, it was actually 70 Democrats that voted against it.

        Also relevant here is that you, like most outside strategists, seem to have forgotten the over 7000 state level representatives, not to mention governors and other elected officials. State level Democrats are, an average, far better than federal. These people are also important because they run all the elections. If you think the DNC primaries are bad, they don’t hold a candle to how locked down general elections are. If you want to replace the Democratic party, then you absolutely need to replace these people first before you will have any chance at all of replacing them at the federal level. You up to that?

        It’s such a horrifying brutal catastrophe that I can’t even begin to use words to describe how much I hate the ghoulish freaks in the US state who perpetuate it.

        I agree, but that is 100% irrelevant to the question of how best to replace them. Folks like you seem to think that the more edgy you make yourselves, the more effective you will be at opposing them. I’m guessing it probably works at the grocery store where your mommy buys you the sugar treats just to get you to shut up. However, in the grown-up world, sounding like an edgy radical just makes you irrelevant. You surrender all your power from beat 1.

        What do you call a party that authorized $18 billion in money and guns to a theocratic, ethnic supremacist nation that kept 2 million people in a cage?

        I call them shit. That’s why I want to oppose them with strength. Again, the question of how shitty the Democrats are and the question of how best to oppose them are entirely unrelated. We oppose them because they are shit, and we do it in the most effective ways we can - also because they are shit.

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      2 days ago

      There are plenty of good Democrats, they just aren’t the ones running the party.

      The lightning rod is not attached to the flammable portion of the house??