We now think the same about our elections.
The empire always comes home to conquer eventually.
Cuba lets people vote on laws directly, not just people.
Meanwhile the US has a long and proud history of hosting a referendum, having an overwhelming majority agree with it, only for it to be blocked by the “elected” representatives. Florida high speed rail comes to mind.
“Legitimate/illegitimate”:
In Poland, no matter who i vote for and no matter who win, policies remains always the same.
usually the difference between a legitimate democratic system and a illegitimate one is skin color
Americans don’t understand that votes should be counted by humans, with witnesses and unlimited recounts.
Instead they trust in tech they don’t understand, cannot double check, run by people they often oppose, They do not comprehend the concepts of exit polls or other checks.
And it’s not new, but baked into the fabric of the culture. Before computers there was mass cheating, tolerated, going back into the 18th century.
That last bit just simply isn’t true. Voter fraud is near non-existent in the United States. Using a tool (computers) to do a job easier and better (counting votes) is not a bad thing; it’s actually a good thing. Why are you demonizing something that you have no indication is a bad thing? There is also still lots of documentation around voting in the states even though we use the scary computers and don’t live in the stone age in that singular aspect.
This can be a complex topic: if what you mean by voter fraud is individuals miscasting votes, then yes. That is rare.
But if you are talking about admins or owners of computer systems adding enough votes themselves, then there is evidence that happens and no evidence to refute it. This is because exit polls and statistics hint this is happening. But the systems are closed source so there is no way to disprove the hints.
Finally, there are dozens of voting systems. What is true for some is not valid for others .
There is a simply staggering amount of information to cover. But in no way can anyone apply blanket statements or one size fit all explanations
Do you have any source that the computer systems change votes because I do not
Depends on your background and what you are looking for.
There are many sources, but it depends or technical knowledge, or ease with statistics. And it also depends on which states you are inspecting.
There is also a lot of misinformation about there by both republicans and democrats. The republicans tend to use batshit conspiracy ideas: they are careful to not address the real issues. And the democrats will insist everything is fine. Finally some sources try to investigate things they do not understand.
If you are looking for a general introduction to the subject, and avoid the above, and do not have comfort with stats, computer systems etc, then you may be disappointed.
If you do stats, then It’s safest to just pull the exit poll data yourself from the states of your choice. However most national press outlets stopped using exit polls after 2018 because they predicted wrong winners too often.
Many states have precinct data to use for other tests, like looking for patterns of ballots per candidate vs precinct size. Some websites pop in and out of existence over the years analyzing those.
If you have tech knowledge there were conventions of hackers.
If you are a programmer or systems admin I can give my opinions about general issues.
I am asking for a source that backs up your claim is there a source that backs it up?
I literally said it’s a complex topic, many have discussed it, but you would need to know computers or stats. You don’t seem to have those skills, so you will need to take it on faith from others.
Ask yourself, do you feel comfortable not understanding how democracy works in your country? To have no clue how the votes are counted?
It should not be that way. Democracy should be understandable by fifth graders, with paper ballots and witnesses. You should not have to seek answers to understand how it works.
I do have a decent amount of those skills(I use arch Linux and host my own services and statistics is pretty simple) but you just aren’t giving me anything to show those stats or use those skills.
I think the system should be open source but counting ballots by hand is idiotic and a waste of time and money. I do have a decent clue of how they are counted it’s just they are counted by a computer and put into a database nothing super complicated.
I don’t think a fifth grader should be able to understand exactly how votes are counted. You should be able to look at the source code for the counting of votes but simplifying a system that is more efficient and faster is idiotic.
