Hatred of jews isn’t what makes someone a Nazi. That was always more of a Christian thing in Europe. Cult infighting. It’s unfortunate that education on the rise of the third reich is so focused on the killing of the jews. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation today if people actually knew what a Nazi/Fascist is.
From what I’ve read about the Nazis I don’t think they were very religious. Makes sense too, if you are a fascist regime you want your leader to be the top dog, not some guy in the sky. Hitler, their fuhrer was their god.
But yeah I wouldn’t really define them by their antisemitism. The jews were just the minority they picked to demonise. I think fascism is defined by:
Creating a cult-like society where the narrative is strictly regulated and any deviation heavily punished
Setting their society apart from others (“us vs them”) and demonising minorities (in their case the jews but they were not the only ones, LGBTQ and people with mental health issues and physical disabilities too!)
Extreme nationalism, exceptionalism and glorification of country and its leader
Military imperialism (fed by the above point of nationalism, to give the soldiers a cause to fight for) and self-enrichment of its leaders
But this is how I see it, I kinda wonder now what the official definition is.
When someone says its unfortunate the killing of Jews is central to the education about the Nazis, I dont raise an eyebrow, i raise both.
Its almost like you’re trying to make the case that Jews could be Nazis without any sort of compartmentalization or cognitive dissonance. A real masterpiece of gaslighting.
There were Nazi Jews during the time of Nazi Germany, and there still are today. It’s not the weird thing you’re making it out to be. Hating Jews was not, and still isn’t central to Nazi ideology. While it’s often presented like it’s the only thing they’re about.
I dont think we’re talking about the same thing exactly, I think I agree with you in a lot of ways actually.
However, the analogy with Trump would be to say that immigration isnt central to his policies. Is it the tariffs then that’ll MAGA? Is this how you start to try and convince a latinx person to vote for a Trump endorsed candidate?
But to the topic at hand, why are you insisting to frame NAZIs in a less nationalistic light? Nationalism is certainly a feature of fascism. Are you trying to convince antisemitic people that Trump can hate jews and still be a bad choice for them? I am confused about you concerns and priorities.
There’s both similarities and differences, both Trumpism and nazis decided on several other groups as a scapegoat. Nazis started with people with disabilities and similar groups first and shifted to exploiting existing prejudice against Jewish people. Trump and much of GOP have been stupid racists from the start. Also, all of these types of fascist groups starts infighting eventually and fewer and fewer people are “pure enough”
Hatred of jews isn’t what makes someone a Nazi. That was always more of a Christian thing in Europe. Cult infighting. It’s unfortunate that education on the rise of the third reich is so focused on the killing of the jews. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation today if people actually knew what a Nazi/Fascist is.
From what I’ve read about the Nazis I don’t think they were very religious. Makes sense too, if you are a fascist regime you want your leader to be the top dog, not some guy in the sky. Hitler, their fuhrer was their god.
But yeah I wouldn’t really define them by their antisemitism. The jews were just the minority they picked to demonise. I think fascism is defined by:
But this is how I see it, I kinda wonder now what the official definition is.
From what I studied, the majority were indeed conservative Christians.
When someone says its unfortunate the killing of Jews is central to the education about the Nazis, I dont raise an eyebrow, i raise both.
Its almost like you’re trying to make the case that Jews could be Nazis without any sort of compartmentalization or cognitive dissonance. A real masterpiece of gaslighting.
There were Nazi Jews during the time of Nazi Germany, and there still are today. It’s not the weird thing you’re making it out to be. Hating Jews was not, and still isn’t central to Nazi ideology. While it’s often presented like it’s the only thing they’re about.
I dont think we’re talking about the same thing exactly, I think I agree with you in a lot of ways actually.
However, the analogy with Trump would be to say that immigration isnt central to his policies. Is it the tariffs then that’ll MAGA? Is this how you start to try and convince a latinx person to vote for a Trump endorsed candidate?
But to the topic at hand, why are you insisting to frame NAZIs in a less nationalistic light? Nationalism is certainly a feature of fascism. Are you trying to convince antisemitic people that Trump can hate jews and still be a bad choice for them? I am confused about you concerns and priorities.
There’s both similarities and differences, both Trumpism and nazis decided on several other groups as a scapegoat. Nazis started with people with disabilities and similar groups first and shifted to exploiting existing prejudice against Jewish people. Trump and much of GOP have been stupid racists from the start. Also, all of these types of fascist groups starts infighting eventually and fewer and fewer people are “pure enough”