• ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    We’re pro-life, so disagreeing with us means you must be a murderer

    You see the massive flaw in the above, don’t you?

    Don’t use the name itself as evidence of virtue. Any collective can name themselves anything. Focus on the actual acts.

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      1 month ago

      You forget one thing. Antifa literally only means exactly that. There is no collective. You are antifa if you say: “I oppose facism.” That’s it. There is no group, no organization, no culture around it.

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        1 month ago

        You forget one thing. Antifa literally only means exactly that.

        “Pro-life” also only means exactly that. But that doesn’t mean that whoever adopts that label actually embodies that.

        Same goes for antifa. What matters is what they do. Eric Clanton can self-identify as Antifa all he wants as he bashes people with a bike lock, but that doesn’t make it so.

        By the same token, someone can do plenty to oppose fascism, without ever identifying as “antifa”.

        What matters is what they do, not what they call themselves. Sometimes, the self-label is accurate, but sometimes it’s not, and ultimately, the label is irrelevant.

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          23 days ago

          “Pro-life” also only means exactly that.

          No. Even at the most naiv level it means at least: “I oppose the right for people to let an abortion be performed on them.”

          That’s way different.

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            22 days ago

            The entire point is the disparity between the literal definition of the label and the actual ideology. “Pro-life” means favoring life. That is what the words literally mean.

            Calling your group the Good Guys Club and your opponents the Bad Guys Club doesn’t make it true. I repeat:

            What matters is what they do, not what they call themselves. Sometimes, the self-label is accurate, but sometimes it’s not, and ultimately, the label is irrelevant.