• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    If the Democratic Party does not wish to do the right thing even after they have been begged to by some people, then I think it’s time for us to consider punishing them and showing them, in action, you’re going to lose the election. We’re going to make sure you lose.

    Minnesota has a lot of politicians willing to stand up to genociders, and agrees with the Dem voting base on a much wider range of issues.

    Over the last six months, Minnesota Democrats enshrined abortion rights, established paid family and medical leave, restored the voting rights of ex-felons, extended voting access, invested $1 billion into affordable housing, imposed background checks on private gun transfers, initiated a red-flag warning system that confiscates firearms from those judicially deemed a threat to themselves or others, legalized recreational marijuana, created a refuge program for trans people denied gender-affirming care in other states, mandated that utilities go carbon-free by 2040, provided a refundable tax credit (i.e., cash aid) to low-income households with children, prohibited non-compete clauses in labor contracts, barred employers from holding compulsory anti-union meetings, strengthened workplace protections for meatpacking and Amazon workers, empowered teachers unions to bargain over educator-to-student ratios, empaneled a statewide board to set minimum labor standards for nursing-home workers, directed $2.58 billion into improved infrastructure, made school breakfast and lunch free from all Minnesota K-through-12 students, and increased taxes on corporations and high earners, among other things.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/why-are-minnesota-democrats-so-progressive.html

    They were able to make it to the general because the Minnesota state Dem party didn’t put their finger on the scales.

    As of February the old chair for Minnesota is now the chair of the national DNC.

    So…

    Keep pressuring the DNC, but for fucks sake I wish people understood we already fought the battles and won the war over the party.

    A neutral DNC that won’t pick sides means no one will be holding progressives back.

    We don’t need to be yelling at the DNC right now we need to be informing voter that shit has changed already.

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    A reconciliation starts with admitting you fucked up and apologizing.

    Especially for helping get a literal fascist elected.

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      Biden & Harris did more to get Trump elected than every protest voter combined, your priorities are fucked

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      You had me in the first part, not gonna lie. But then I see that you are perfectly fine with unquestioning support of Israel.

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          You don’t give a shit how many innocent people die in palestine or anywhere else, as long as it doesn’t affect you it’s fine

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            The fact that you conflate saying voting for and advocating for harm reduction equates to cheerleading for genocide show how disingenuous you are and how no one can have a serious discussion with you.

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              You weren’t voting for harm reduction and you probably never have in your entire life. If you vote for capitalists, that isn’t harm reduction.

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              The democrats offered exactly zero “harm reduction” for palestine, the only harm you care about reducing is to yourself and you know it

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      Cool. Admit that no democrat has any business supporting the genocide that centrists loved so dearly that they were willing to risk another trump term rather than abandon it.

      Remember, the people you are blaming now weren’t worth listening to at the time, presumably because their names aren’t netanyahu or cheney.

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          I voted for harris. Unlike you, I did it in spite of the genocide support, not because of it.

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            Sure you did buddy, sure you did.

            And honestly aren’t you just an presumptuous jackass. Just because one doesn’t spout off about all Democrats are pro genocide day in and day fucking out doesn’t mean one is actively got “Go genocide, go!” And is all about dat Israeli war crime.

            You just go on not voting and letting perfection and single issue voting be the enemy of good. I’ll continue to vote how I’ve always been voting and being critical of Democrats while acknowledging Republican Nazis are never the right choice.

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              Sure you did buddy

              Genocide apologists are not my buddies.

              Just because one doesn’t spout off about all Democrats are pro genocide day in and day fucking out doesn’t mean one is actively got “Go genocide, go!” And was all about dat Israeli war crime.

              Anyone who sees opposition to genocide support within the democratic party and immediately shrieks “trumper” is absolutely all about genocide and nothing else.

              You just go on not voting and letting perfection and single issue voting be the enemy of good. I’ll continue to vote how I’ve always been voting and being critical of Democrats

              The only democrats for whom you have any criticism are those that don’t like your genocide.

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    This really pisses me off

    The whole thing conservatives do is to pit those they want to control against each other, and too many people fall for it with enthusiasm

    America is a fucking stupid country

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      The whole thing conservatives do is to pit those they want to control against each other, and too many people fall for it with enthusiasm

      Conservatives didn’t force biden to keep selling weapons for genocide in violation of the Leahy Law. Conservatives didn’t force harris to say that her position on Gaza wasn’t any different from biden’s.

      The eyes and ears of everyone who noticed as it was happening are not russian psyops. Expecting everyone to be happy with genocide is gross behavior.

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        Not at all

        I’m lucky, I don’t live in America

        But the Republicans are demonstrably worse, so black or middke-eastern people voting for Trump, or not voting at all out of some misplaced sense of superiority by not engaging, are a part of the problem

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            I hope you have all the happiness that you deserve

            Sadly, the stupidity and ignorance of America has an effect on the rest of the world

            You cunts export your wars, both military and cultural, so the rest of us definitely take notice

            Shit, most of us know more about your history and political system than the typical apathetic, indoctrinated yank by a long shot

            I stand by my original point. People were manipulated, and now they’re facing the consequences

            I doubt anything will change. America is a fundamentally broken country. It was founded on cruelty and lies, and not a fucking thing has changed

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        The fascists are fully in charge now, and you’re still on about Biden?

        Something tells me you don’t care about genocide at all.

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          The fascists are fully in charge now, and you’re still on about Biden?

          If there is a next election, I would prefer that the democratic party not make the same mistakes you want them to make again.

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            If you were actually against genocide, your complaints would be about the party that currently controls all three branches of the US federal government.

            That you only ever complain about Democrats speaks volumes.

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              The thread is about democrats, and the results of their greater devotion to the dictator of a genocidal apartheid state than to their own country. The thing progressives tried to warn centrists about for a solid year. You ignored the anti-genocide wing of the party then blamed them for reading the writing on the wall aloud.

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                  You want me to be like Oh Yeah? Well whatabout Republicans?!

                  No. I don’t whatabout for anyone who supports genocide. If there’s a thread about trump supporting genocide, I don’t see centrists griping about how trump is carrying out their only policy for them. I see them griping that the progressives they hate weren’t on board with genocide.

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          I voted for harris. centrists have to pretend that anyone who doesn’t love their genocide is a trumpist. they can’t admit that genocide is wrong because they don’t believe it.