Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software isā¦ brave.
My mistake ill go tell my friend heās just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said itās not his computer so he canāt run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasnāt opened it once).
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because itās in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different peopleās computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didnāt even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
My mistake ill go tell my friend heās just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said itās not his computer so he canāt run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
My point is that Razer is famous for designing crap quality software. Itās probably nothing related to OneDrive, just Synapse being Synapse.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
Games shouldnāt be writing constantly to Documents. Thatās what temp/cache is for.
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasnāt opened it once).
Iād love to see some tests done on this. A lot of the people complaining about Windows issues are the same people who used various ādebloatersā, and these cause so many unintended issues.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isnāt āoh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it brokeā itās āwhy did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and donāt want was causing this problem?ā
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they donāt get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again itās the fact itās a program I never installed and donāt want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
I shouldnāt have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, āwell okay Iām not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if Iām unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state.ā If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they donāt want and never wanted.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to
Thatās not the point I was making.
It was: OneDrive, normally, doesnāt cause any such issues. The fact that these issues exist with specifically Synapse is more probably due to Synapse being shite, than OneDrive doing anything.
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they donāt get to write there?
Because Documents is the userās documents space. Temp files go in Temp, application data goes in AppData. Itās a super simple system that worked on Windows for the past 20 years. Razer doing things wrong is a problem with Razerās products, not Microsoftās.
For example openmw a huge project puts logs there
Then the devs of openmw should be flogged too. Everybody should fuck off from the Documents folder, because it turns into another Temp/AppData with all the crap that I didnāt put there. Itās My Documents, not ātrash bin for lazy devsā.
I wonāt argue against it reinstalling itself as I never had a problem with it just chugging along and giving me the 5GB of free backup space.
I wonāt comment on the performance hits, because I never experienced those. Iām willing to bet the fault is on either the user or the software their using, though, because I havenāt seen a performance hit on any of my 2000-3000 managed devices. Sure, OneDrive for Business uses SharePoint, but the app works in a similar way.
I wonāt comment on your last paragraph too, because it just reiterates that you missed my initial point.
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years. You can say it shouldnāt be and you might even be right, but thatās the reality and Microsoft KNOWS thatās the reality. If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why itās hidden by default? How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
I personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze. I donāt think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error. But again, many people are having issues caused by a software they never wanted. I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever āincorrectā things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and canāt get rid of thinks.
Itās also just unexpected behavior, youāre telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc? What if Iām transferring files to my documents while doing something else, now I get massive lag spikes for the crime of putting files somewhere on my computerā¦? And what if itās pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers, like medical photos? Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it without me ever consenting?
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years
It shouldnāt be, especially since āMy Savesā exists (or existed).
Weāre not talking about saves.
but thatās the reality and Microsoft KNOWS thatās the reality
Microsoft has NOTHING to do with where a developer decides his application will shit its data.
If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why itās hidden by default?
Because none of that is important for the user, unless theyāre troubleshooting. And if theyāre troubleshooting, they either know where to look already, or theyāre googling to find out anyway.
How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
Again, āMy Savesā, and weāre not talking about saves.
personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze
Donāt know when you did that, but there was a time where OneDrive was āhard-codedā into Windows installations and brute-force killing it could break things. Which is why you didnāt remove it fully, you just disabled it back then (log out, exit app, check if itās removed from Startup Applications, job done).
Nowadays you can uninstall it easily.
I donāt think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error.
Do you remember some 1-2 years ago when ādebloatingā was super popular? Like, every thread on r/Windows about new installations would have people shouting about the need to ādebloatā by the use of some script from the Internet?
Do you also remember how that community didnāt have a week without a couple āWindows Search is broken!!!11ā threads? You ever notice how the fad for ādebloatingā died down, these threads also disappeared?
So, yeah, I can absolutely attribute a bunch of obscure issues that were never acknowledged by MS to user error or āmaliciousā software.
I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever āincorrectā things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and canāt get rid of thinks.
Yeah, thatās not how computers work.
Itās also just unexpected behavior, youāre telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc?
No.
Or rather: āno, itās not supposed toā.
I donāt know what logs does Synapse, or whatever similar app, drop in the Documents folder. If itās thousands of operations per minute, thereās possibly a chance that OneDrive would trip over and die over this. But having thousands of operations per minute saved in logs, in Documents, is just retarded design in the first place.
Let me put it this way: I develop relatively large scripts for work. I have them all in my OneDrive folder. I will also often unzip software packages into a OneDrive-synced folder. Thousands of files getting dropped out of an archive. I have never had any PC performance issues caused by OneDrive during that time.
And what if itās pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers
Donāt put them in a synced folderā¦?
Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it
Yes, you should know what youāre doing on your computer. When you first open it, OneDrive tells you what the Status icons mean, so you should understand which folder is synced and which isnāt.
without me ever consenting?
You logging in to OneDrive gave it consent to do the things itās designed to do. If youāre fresh-installing Windows and use an MS account, you either get information about OneDrive during OOBE, or you get pop-ups about OneDrive after the installation is completed. Unless you just blindly close anything that isnāt your Desktop, you are fully informed to the capabilities of your PC in terms of what OneDrive does and where it does it.
I have never even heard of the my saves filder and canāt find anything about it from searching, do you mean Documents/My Games? And yes we are not talking about saves, weāre also talking about config files and potential mods and potential screenshots. Some devs also put logs next to saves in case a game crashed or misbehaved, especially in the case of moddable games. Even non-technical people can read a log and see file not found. I did this when I was 7 years old and had no clue about hidden files or appdata or even how to GET to the C drive, because games just wrote to documents or I would never find anything.
Microsoft has NOTHING to do with where a developer decides his application will shit its data.
Yes and I also have nothing to do with someone turning their car into my lane, but Iām not going to smash into them and say well I was in the right. Microsoft may be fully justified in thinking nothing is in there besides documents that someone actually wants backed up, and they can be fully justified as every user has their games break. Do you know why people blame onedrive and not the game? Because they actually wanted the game.
Because none of that is important for the user, unless theyāre troubleshooting. And if theyāre troubleshooting, they either know where to look already, or theyāre googling to find out anyway.
Config files and mod files are unimportant to the userā¦? And again troubleshooting as a non-poweruser is still possible if the log says āfile not found.ā
Yes I disabled it when it was hard coded and I sure wish it was job done. It kept running the service even though I had disabled it and then on a later update fully re enabled itself, so my choices are be really confused and have games be broken until I figure out onedrive is back or fully delete it and have a broken file manager.
Yeah, thatās not how computers work.
Really so if I go on my pc right now and type for i in 0ā¦10000 sleep 1 echo test >> ~/Documents/terriblespot.txt will this cause massive lag spikes in games? What about if I write to /boot just for fun, surely it wonāt work just fine because itās my computer not Microsoftās.
What you said about opening onedrive is just not accurate, when you first install windows you get a tiny pop-up that says something along the lines of ākeep all your files synced in one place!ā And I as well as most people click the x. So I was actually just supposed to know that meant āwe are actually syncing your folders unless you specifically say not to.ā
There used to be a āSaved Gamesā (or some such, canāt remember off the top of my head) folder in your user folder (e.g. C:\Users\starelfsc2\Saved Games). If itās no longer there, presumably, MS removed it since practically nobody ever used it. I think it came first with Vista.
And yes we are not talking about saves, weāre also talking about config files
That goes in %programdata%.
potential mods
Inside the gameās installation folder.
potential screenshots
Thatās what the Pictures folder is forā¦
Some devs also put logs next to saves in case a game crashed or misbehaved, especially in the case of moddable games
I wouldnāt mind these showing up in the My Games/Saved Games folder, honestly.
Even non-technical people can read a log and see file not found
Non-technical people who donāt know how to find %programdata% wonāt know what to do with a .log file. Theyād need to google that anyway, and in doing so, would learn about Program Data.
Yes and I also have nothing to do with someone turning their car into my lane, but Iām not going to smash into them and say well I was in the right
Of course. You should expect them to NOT drive in your lane.
What you are suggesting instead is that the city council builds another lane just in case someone starts driving on the wrong side of the road.
and they can be fully justified as every user has their games break. Do you know why people blame onedrive and not the game? Because they actually wanted the game.
Mate, I donāt know what to tell you. When I was still running Windows on my gaming PC, I had OneDrive enabled. My brother has OneDrive enabled. My wife has OneDrive enabled. Some 90% of my friends and acquaintances have OneDrive enabled. We game a lot, and I mean A LOT. I currently have just shy of 1TB of games installed.
NEVER had I experienced ANY issues with ANY software, games or otherwise, that would be caused by OneDrive just doing its thing.
So, considering this anecdotal evidence, and putting it against the āReddit threadsā of āOneDrive broke somethingā, AND against those where āSearch doesnāt work!ā after a dude broke his Windows with a script he found online - Iām leaning towards the opinion that if someone is having issues with OneDrive, they caused them themselves, somehow.
Config files and mod files are unimportant to the userā¦?
To the VAST majority of users? Yes, they are. I canāt remember the last time I had to fiddle with a config fileā¦ 2008? Maybe 2010? As for mods - if youāre modding a game, you can spend all of 30 seconds extra to learn where Program Data lives.
And again troubleshooting as a non-poweruser is still possible if the log says āfile not found.ā
See above.
my choices are be really confused and have games be broken
Yeah, Iām calling bullshit on this one. But I already explained that above.
Really so if I go on my pc right now and type for i in 0ā¦10000 sleep 1 echo test >> ~/Documents/terriblespot.txt will this cause massive lag spikes in games?
Thatās what Iām trying to explain: it SHOULD NOT. If it DOES, then something is broken on your end - either with the software (OS/services/something) or the hardware.
What about if I write to /boot just for fun
Umm, /boot? Whatās that? Thatās not a Windows thing.
surely it wonāt work just fine because itās my computer not Microsoftās.
What are you trying to argue here now? āMicrosoft badā or something more specific?
And I as well as most people click the x
And thatās, somehow, Microsoftās faultā¦?
So I was actually just supposed to know that meant āwe are actually syncing your folders unless you specifically say not to.ā
No, you doughnut, you were supposed to click the notification and learn about OneDrive!
Iām sure onedrive is perfectly fine for work applications, but for anyone that plays any games ever I have told them always uninstall or disable onedrive ASAP
Skill issue.
I had actually forgotten that it can lock your documents folder and break games (and I believe other programs too)
Thatās because it canāt, unless you break something.
Also: my wife was just recently playing Sims3 on Windows 11 and OneDrive on with zero issues.
I meanā¦ Dude, just try. Do a fresh install. Donāt run any scripts, donāt run any CCleaners or such, donāt edit any registry settings, donāt install any WinAeroTweaks or such. Just fresh install, log in to where you need to log in (including OneDrive, for the test), install some games and test it out. I guarantee that - barring hardware issues - youāll have a smooth ride.
I wouldnāt doubt vista had a saved games folder but Vista was a big outlier. File extensions are hidden by default on windows, so most people see logs as text files. Itās easier to see āwhatās this random text file?ā vs digging through your pc to try and find something you donāt even know what youāre looking for. Again programdata would be fine but it is extremely not obvious to the user because there is no hyperlink to it and it is HIDDEN by default. As a developer if I want the most incompetent users to still be able to find the game files, documents is the only place I have for that. A lot of people donāt even know how to open the C drive.
So first of all the notification for onedrive makes no indication it is backing up all your data, or that itās installed, or that you should really really look at it. At least in windows 8/10, all it said was āall your files in one place!ā And as windows has been known to advertise to the user, most people will think this is just an advertisement, not a warning.
What you are suggesting instead is that the city council builds another lane just in case someone starts driving on the wrong side of the road.
Well in this analogy itās more like the car has a built in thing that locks me into going straight so I nick the other car trying to turn out of the way, and the only indication I got of this feature from the manufacturer was āyour driving can be made much easier!ā
To the VAST majority of users? Yes, they are. I canāt remember the last time I had to fiddle with a config fileā¦ 2008? Maybe 2010? As for mods - if youāre modding a game, you can spend all of 30 seconds extra to learn where Program Data lives.
Sure itās pretty rare, but here are some examples Iāve done pretty recently.
Editing starcraft 2 configs to get different shadow and lighting settings for better performance
Editing openmw configs to change some settings that werenāt in the launcher
Changing some settings in sims 3 to prevent a crash
Changing settings back in a game because the game wouldnāt launch after I changed it in game
What are you trying to argue here now? āMicrosoft badā or something more specific?
My entire point is why is a program I never installed or wanted causing issues, which is MUCH worse than something I installed causing the problem. You donāt know what you donāt know, so how would I have any idea whatās causing itās? Look through every single program I have installed? If I never opened it surely itās not doing something I never asked for. I donāt care what the things I actually installed do, if I think itās stupid a game writes to documents, I can just not install that game. If I think itās stupid onedrive is breaking my games, first I even need to know itās installed and exists, then I need to know what itās doing, then I need to know that oh this might be causing the issue, then I need to know how to remove it.
Even that comment you linked said removing onedrive reduced the issue heavily. As another example my friend just this week had a text file he was reading for a python script and onedrive put a random tag on it that made it break his script (which sounds strikingly similar to that sims 3 thread and similar issues Iāve heard and experienced over the years). Itās fine you and people you know never had issues (though maybe you did and your hardware was just good enough to not notice), but just look up onedrive issues with games, it DOES mess with many users files. You can write 100% of these off to user error or a broken install if you want, but WHY do they have to care about this in the first place for a program they never installed or wanted??? Why is it touching their files at all??
My mistake ill go tell my friend heās just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said itās not his computer so he canāt run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/m8luww/pause_one_drive_sync_while_you_play_it_completely/
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasnāt opened it once).
https://windowsreport.com/onedrive-high-cpu/
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because itās in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different peopleās computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didnāt even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
My point is that Razer is famous for designing crap quality software. Itās probably nothing related to OneDrive, just Synapse being Synapse.
Games shouldnāt be writing constantly to Documents. Thatās what temp/cache is for.
Iād love to see some tests done on this. A lot of the people complaining about Windows issues are the same people who used various ādebloatersā, and these cause so many unintended issues.
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isnāt āoh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it brokeā itās āwhy did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and donāt want was causing this problem?ā
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they donāt get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again itās the fact itās a program I never installed and donāt want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
An example of it being really buggy to get rid of
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3998214/one-drive-keeps-recreating-itself
Reinstalling itself
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/brai09/onedrive_keeps_reinstalling_itself/
About performance idk what to tell you this seems very common
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/5i46aj/onedrive_is_always_checking_for_changes_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/onedrive/comments/oiix8t/high_cpu_and_ram_without_syncing_file_what_happen/
Tons of videos on YouTube about it too.
I shouldnāt have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, āwell okay Iām not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if Iām unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state.ā If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they donāt want and never wanted.
Thatās not the point I was making.
It was: OneDrive, normally, doesnāt cause any such issues. The fact that these issues exist with specifically Synapse is more probably due to Synapse being shite, than OneDrive doing anything.
Because Documents is the userās documents space. Temp files go in Temp, application data goes in AppData. Itās a super simple system that worked on Windows for the past 20 years. Razer doing things wrong is a problem with Razerās products, not Microsoftās.
Then the devs of openmw should be flogged too. Everybody should fuck off from the Documents folder, because it turns into another Temp/AppData with all the crap that I didnāt put there. Itās My Documents, not ātrash bin for lazy devsā.
I wonāt argue against it reinstalling itself as I never had a problem with it just chugging along and giving me the 5GB of free backup space.
I wonāt comment on the performance hits, because I never experienced those. Iām willing to bet the fault is on either the user or the software their using, though, because I havenāt seen a performance hit on any of my 2000-3000 managed devices. Sure, OneDrive for Business uses SharePoint, but the app works in a similar way.
I wonāt comment on your last paragraph too, because it just reiterates that you missed my initial point.
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years. You can say it shouldnāt be and you might even be right, but thatās the reality and Microsoft KNOWS thatās the reality. If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why itās hidden by default? How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
I personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze. I donāt think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error. But again, many people are having issues caused by a software they never wanted. I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever āincorrectā things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and canāt get rid of thinks.
Itās also just unexpected behavior, youāre telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc? What if Iām transferring files to my documents while doing something else, now I get massive lag spikes for the crime of putting files somewhere on my computerā¦? And what if itās pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers, like medical photos? Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it without me ever consenting?
Microsoft has NOTHING to do with where a developer decides his application will shit its data.
Because none of that is important for the user, unless theyāre troubleshooting. And if theyāre troubleshooting, they either know where to look already, or theyāre googling to find out anyway.
Again, āMy Savesā, and weāre not talking about saves.
Donāt know when you did that, but there was a time where OneDrive was āhard-codedā into Windows installations and brute-force killing it could break things. Which is why you didnāt remove it fully, you just disabled it back then (log out, exit app, check if itās removed from Startup Applications, job done).
Nowadays you can uninstall it easily.
Do you remember some 1-2 years ago when ādebloatingā was super popular? Like, every thread on r/Windows about new installations would have people shouting about the need to ādebloatā by the use of some script from the Internet?
Do you also remember how that community didnāt have a week without a couple āWindows Search is broken!!!11ā threads? You ever notice how the fad for ādebloatingā died down, these threads also disappeared?
So, yeah, I can absolutely attribute a bunch of obscure issues that were never acknowledged by MS to user error or āmaliciousā software.
Yeah, thatās not how computers work.
No.
Or rather: āno, itās not supposed toā.
I donāt know what logs does Synapse, or whatever similar app, drop in the Documents folder. If itās thousands of operations per minute, thereās possibly a chance that OneDrive would trip over and die over this. But having thousands of operations per minute saved in logs, in Documents, is just retarded design in the first place.
Let me put it this way: I develop relatively large scripts for work. I have them all in my OneDrive folder. I will also often unzip software packages into a OneDrive-synced folder. Thousands of files getting dropped out of an archive. I have never had any PC performance issues caused by OneDrive during that time.
Donāt put them in a synced folderā¦?
Yes, you should know what youāre doing on your computer. When you first open it, OneDrive tells you what the Status icons mean, so you should understand which folder is synced and which isnāt.
You logging in to OneDrive gave it consent to do the things itās designed to do. If youāre fresh-installing Windows and use an MS account, you either get information about OneDrive during OOBE, or you get pop-ups about OneDrive after the installation is completed. Unless you just blindly close anything that isnāt your Desktop, you are fully informed to the capabilities of your PC in terms of what OneDrive does and where it does it.
I have never even heard of the my saves filder and canāt find anything about it from searching, do you mean Documents/My Games? And yes we are not talking about saves, weāre also talking about config files and potential mods and potential screenshots. Some devs also put logs next to saves in case a game crashed or misbehaved, especially in the case of moddable games. Even non-technical people can read a log and see file not found. I did this when I was 7 years old and had no clue about hidden files or appdata or even how to GET to the C drive, because games just wrote to documents or I would never find anything.
Yes and I also have nothing to do with someone turning their car into my lane, but Iām not going to smash into them and say well I was in the right. Microsoft may be fully justified in thinking nothing is in there besides documents that someone actually wants backed up, and they can be fully justified as every user has their games break. Do you know why people blame onedrive and not the game? Because they actually wanted the game.
Config files and mod files are unimportant to the userā¦? And again troubleshooting as a non-poweruser is still possible if the log says āfile not found.ā
Yes I disabled it when it was hard coded and I sure wish it was job done. It kept running the service even though I had disabled it and then on a later update fully re enabled itself, so my choices are be really confused and have games be broken until I figure out onedrive is back or fully delete it and have a broken file manager.
What you said about opening onedrive is just not accurate, when you first install windows you get a tiny pop-up that says something along the lines of ākeep all your files synced in one place!ā And I as well as most people click the x. So I was actually just supposed to know that meant āwe are actually syncing your folders unless you specifically say not to.ā
Iām sure onedrive is perfectly fine for work applications, but for anyone that plays any games ever I have told them always uninstall or disable onedrive ASAP. I had actually forgotten that it can lock your documents folder and break games (and I believe other programs too) https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims3/comments/y1mhf8/psa_if_you_arent_able_to_save_on_windows_11_22h2/
There used to be a āSaved Gamesā (or some such, canāt remember off the top of my head) folder in your user folder (e.g.
C:\Users\starelfsc2\Saved Games). If itās no longer there, presumably, MS removed it since practically nobody ever used it. I think it came first with Vista.That goes in
%programdata%.Inside the gameās installation folder.
Thatās what the Pictures folder is forā¦
I wouldnāt mind these showing up in the My Games/Saved Games folder, honestly.
Non-technical people who donāt know how to find
%programdata%wonāt know what to do with a.logfile. Theyād need to google that anyway, and in doing so, would learn about Program Data.Of course. You should expect them to NOT drive in your lane.
What you are suggesting instead is that the city council builds another lane just in case someone starts driving on the wrong side of the road.
Mate, I donāt know what to tell you. When I was still running Windows on my gaming PC, I had OneDrive enabled. My brother has OneDrive enabled. My wife has OneDrive enabled. Some 90% of my friends and acquaintances have OneDrive enabled. We game a lot, and I mean A LOT. I currently have just shy of 1TB of games installed.
NEVER had I experienced ANY issues with ANY software, games or otherwise, that would be caused by OneDrive just doing its thing.
So, considering this anecdotal evidence, and putting it against the āReddit threadsā of āOneDrive broke somethingā, AND against those where āSearch doesnāt work!ā after a dude broke his Windows with a script he found online - Iām leaning towards the opinion that if someone is having issues with OneDrive, they caused them themselves, somehow.
To the VAST majority of users? Yes, they are. I canāt remember the last time I had to fiddle with a config fileā¦ 2008? Maybe 2010? As for mods - if youāre modding a game, you can spend all of 30 seconds extra to learn where Program Data lives.
See above.
Yeah, Iām calling bullshit on this one. But I already explained that above.
Thatās what Iām trying to explain: it SHOULD NOT. If it DOES, then something is broken on your end - either with the software (OS/services/something) or the hardware.
Umm,
/boot? Whatās that? Thatās not a Windows thing.What are you trying to argue here now? āMicrosoft badā or something more specific?
And thatās, somehow, Microsoftās faultā¦?
No, you doughnut, you were supposed to click the notification and learn about OneDrive!
Skill issue.
Thatās because it canāt, unless you break something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims3/comments/y1mhf8/comment/ism2uwm/
Also: my wife was just recently playing Sims3 on Windows 11 and OneDrive on with zero issues.
I meanā¦ Dude, just try. Do a fresh install. Donāt run any scripts, donāt run any CCleaners or such, donāt edit any registry settings, donāt install any WinAeroTweaks or such. Just fresh install, log in to where you need to log in (including OneDrive, for the test), install some games and test it out. I guarantee that - barring hardware issues - youāll have a smooth ride.
I wouldnāt doubt vista had a saved games folder but Vista was a big outlier. File extensions are hidden by default on windows, so most people see logs as text files. Itās easier to see āwhatās this random text file?ā vs digging through your pc to try and find something you donāt even know what youāre looking for. Again programdata would be fine but it is extremely not obvious to the user because there is no hyperlink to it and it is HIDDEN by default. As a developer if I want the most incompetent users to still be able to find the game files, documents is the only place I have for that. A lot of people donāt even know how to open the C drive.
So first of all the notification for onedrive makes no indication it is backing up all your data, or that itās installed, or that you should really really look at it. At least in windows 8/10, all it said was āall your files in one place!ā And as windows has been known to advertise to the user, most people will think this is just an advertisement, not a warning.
Well in this analogy itās more like the car has a built in thing that locks me into going straight so I nick the other car trying to turn out of the way, and the only indication I got of this feature from the manufacturer was āyour driving can be made much easier!ā
Sure itās pretty rare, but here are some examples Iāve done pretty recently.
Editing starcraft 2 configs to get different shadow and lighting settings for better performance
Editing openmw configs to change some settings that werenāt in the launcher
Changing some settings in sims 3 to prevent a crash
Changing settings back in a game because the game wouldnāt launch after I changed it in game
Even that comment you linked said removing onedrive reduced the issue heavily. As another example my friend just this week had a text file he was reading for a python script and onedrive put a random tag on it that made it break his script (which sounds strikingly similar to that sims 3 thread and similar issues Iāve heard and experienced over the years). Itās fine you and people you know never had issues (though maybe you did and your hardware was just good enough to not notice), but just look up onedrive issues with games, it DOES mess with many users files. You can write 100% of these off to user error or a broken install if you want, but WHY do they have to care about this in the first place for a program they never installed or wanted??? Why is it touching their files at all??