• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        8 days ago

        Pretty sure the slaves already knew that slavery was wrong, they just couldn’t do much about it because of the power the Lamas had built up from, you know, exploiting slaves.

        Fortunately, when the Chinese overthrew their oppressors, they did not decide to arbitrarily exclude a region of China that had been briefly taken over by a theocracy, because why would they?

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          Tibet wasn’t a region of China and even if it was, overthrowing the existing oppressors to take their place as Tibets new oppressors isn’t really an improvement.

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            Tibet wasn’t a region of China

            Yes it was, for 300 years during the Qing dynasty. When the Qing dynasty collapsed, countless little warlord states popped up, and Tibet was one of them. It was never internationally recognized and is still claimed by the ROC (Taiwan).

            overthrowing the existing oppressors to take their place as Tibets new oppressors

            They weren’t Tibet’s “new oppressors,” they were its liberators. The serfs were freed from serfdom, and their life expectancy doubled thanks to the PRC.

            I remember hearing similar arguments growing up in the southern US. “The north didn’t really liberate anyone, because the former slaves just had to go up and work in their factories with awful conditions. The working conditions in the Confederacy weren’t really that bad for the time, and the real bad guys were the Union for forcing the southern states back into the Union against our wishes.”

            That was, of course, a load of bullshit. While the conditions of factories were awful, and there’s plenty of room to criticize them, it was still a massive improvement over literal slavery. Just as the Union wasn’t perfect, neither was/is the PRC, however, criticizing either of them for liberating people from horrible conditions and involuntary servitude and defending the “sovereignty” of the masters is completely absurd.

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                Maybe Texas would be a better example? There’s definitely Texans who support independence. And Texas has only been part of the US for 180 years, while Tibet has been part of China for at least 300.

                Although I certainly heard a fair share of “The South will rise again” and saw a lot of Confederate flags when I lived in Tennessee. Just their version of “Free Tibet,” I suppose.

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        There aren’t any serfs in China, objectively. And the life expectancy in Tibet has more than doubled since the people were liberated.