Power tripping on the fediverse is mitigated by various factors though:
Public modlogs (as you said).
Federated structure meaning a deranged moderator team can find themselves replaced by a copycat community on another instance if they’re bad enough.
And perhaps I’m a bit naive here, but I’d like to think that no respectable instance admins on the fediverse would allow the brazen behaviour of the r/art team. They’d have long been removed.
Public mod logs I’ve seen been used for flaming users, I’ve yet to see it be used for what it was designed for.
It’s great in theory, but without proper logging or context, people just glance at the logs, see the bans and/pr removals and flames the user. Which is against the rules! If you’re using it for that, just don’t engage, but people would rather try and use it as a gotcha. While missing context 100% of the time.
If you can’t engage the user and need to usr a public log to launch an ad hominem attack instead of trying to engage the topic, you’re the issue with Lemmy. And this is what the logs are used for unfortunately.
And as stated, the fact that a mod can just encore stuff out of spite (happens) and they don’t even need to provide a reason, or a notice to the user. So they don’t even know they goofed most times.
I mean the presence itself likely keeps moderators more honest that they might be on reddit. That isn’t to say the modlog is designed perfectly (it isn’t). But it’s far better than what Reddit has (nothing).
If you’re using likely and might, it’s just rose coloured glasses.
The freedom is going to make those issues WORSE.
We are already seeing it with how users use the mod log and previous comments as gotchas while ignoring the content. Reddit dealt with those issues and even had automated systems of dealing with these issues.
I’ve seen more posts derailed than stay on topic here, the lack of moderation is its own issue as things stew before they get dealt with as well. Then the mod just nukes everything as it’s easier. If they even do.
It’s the worst of everything and it’s barely holding on. Maybe it’s partly the instance I’m on, but there’s lots of posts with similar gripes I’ve seen as well.
Public downvoting already negates the amount of downvotes here relative to reddit. I see no reason why the modlog doesn’t also serve the same function, dissuading mods from blatant abuse that would tank their reputation and potentially get them removed as community owners.
I haven’t noticed posts derailing off-topic anymore than I have on reddit.
What automated things did Reddit do here exactly in relation to the mod log?
I run my own instance. I’m the only Admin, I’m the only Mod, I’m the only user. I “ban” people daily. Of course it doesn’t actually do anything but It’s fun it just feels more gratifying than just blocking someone.
But yeah I’d never allow people to sign up for my instance, I don’t have the time nor desire to admin people and mods.
In this situation I specifically mean instances designed for other people to use. Not private-use instances like yours. Although if your instance (ie: you) behaved badly enough, and notably so - you’d just end up getting defederated.
That is indeed true. Only issue I can see is the copycat community might not outgrow the older community. And I think people tend to gravitate towards the larger community if there are multiples of them. Especially newer users who won’t know of the power tripping mods and will just assume it’s an ordinary community. But let’s hope new users joining the Fediverse have better critical thinking skills and start asking questions if they see a community with a strong and active copycat community.
That is indeed true. Only issue I can see is the copycat community might not outgrow the older community. And I think people tend to gravitate towards the larger community if there are multiples of them.
Thankfully the Fediverse designates community size by active users per week/month/etc when you look them up. Piefed specifically does this. You can’t even see the overall subscribers in the community browser. So this levels the playing field somewhat.
Power tripping on the fediverse is mitigated by various factors though:
Public modlogs (as you said).
Federated structure meaning a deranged moderator team can find themselves replaced by a copycat community on another instance if they’re bad enough.
And perhaps I’m a bit naive here, but I’d like to think that no respectable instance admins on the fediverse would allow the brazen behaviour of the r/art team. They’d have long been removed.
Public mod logs I’ve seen been used for flaming users, I’ve yet to see it be used for what it was designed for.
It’s great in theory, but without proper logging or context, people just glance at the logs, see the bans and/pr removals and flames the user. Which is against the rules! If you’re using it for that, just don’t engage, but people would rather try and use it as a gotcha. While missing context 100% of the time.
If you can’t engage the user and need to usr a public log to launch an ad hominem attack instead of trying to engage the topic, you’re the issue with Lemmy. And this is what the logs are used for unfortunately.
And as stated, the fact that a mod can just encore stuff out of spite (happens) and they don’t even need to provide a reason, or a notice to the user. So they don’t even know they goofed most times.
I mean the presence itself likely keeps moderators more honest that they might be on reddit. That isn’t to say the modlog is designed perfectly (it isn’t). But it’s far better than what Reddit has (nothing).
If you’re using likely and might, it’s just rose coloured glasses.
The freedom is going to make those issues WORSE.
We are already seeing it with how users use the mod log and previous comments as gotchas while ignoring the content. Reddit dealt with those issues and even had automated systems of dealing with these issues.
I’ve seen more posts derailed than stay on topic here, the lack of moderation is its own issue as things stew before they get dealt with as well. Then the mod just nukes everything as it’s easier. If they even do.
It’s the worst of everything and it’s barely holding on. Maybe it’s partly the instance I’m on, but there’s lots of posts with similar gripes I’ve seen as well.
Public downvoting already negates the amount of downvotes here relative to reddit. I see no reason why the modlog doesn’t also serve the same function, dissuading mods from blatant abuse that would tank their reputation and potentially get them removed as community owners.
I haven’t noticed posts derailing off-topic anymore than I have on reddit.
What automated things did Reddit do here exactly in relation to the mod log?
I run my own instance. I’m the only Admin, I’m the only Mod, I’m the only user. I “ban” people daily. Of course it doesn’t actually do anything but It’s fun it just feels more gratifying than just blocking someone.
But yeah I’d never allow people to sign up for my instance, I don’t have the time nor desire to admin people and mods.
In this situation I specifically mean instances designed for other people to use. Not private-use instances like yours. Although if your instance (ie: you) behaved badly enough, and notably so - you’d just end up getting defederated.
That is indeed true. Only issue I can see is the copycat community might not outgrow the older community. And I think people tend to gravitate towards the larger community if there are multiples of them. Especially newer users who won’t know of the power tripping mods and will just assume it’s an ordinary community. But let’s hope new users joining the Fediverse have better critical thinking skills and start asking questions if they see a community with a strong and active copycat community.
Thankfully the Fediverse designates community size by active users per week/month/etc when you look them up. Piefed specifically does this. You can’t even see the overall subscribers in the community browser. So this levels the playing field somewhat.