Repost of a previous thread on !ask@lemm.ee: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/33116369?scrollToComments=true
Just came out of a discussion when someone was arguing that “if everyone here would pay $10-20 per year, the whole platform would be completely different”, but that seemed quite unrealistic to me.
What do you think?
So once a lot of money is involved it also will bring all the sharks, so be careful what you wish for. I rather have a free network which can dissapear any time than a stable one which is full of money grabbing assholes, because the I can just go to threads or reddit.
True that’s the risk. I think we can achieve a stable one with a good shared economical management. That imply a limited user base on each instance so cost are shared, scaled.
That’s why i think lemmy.world, mastodon.social aren’t a good thing. Not tackling on an economic system isn’t good either.
I agree 100℅
I read this interesting article : https://stefanbohacek.com/blog/how-much-does-the-fediverse-cost/
That’s a good idea. I believe we need to tackle on fediverse sustainability as wikipedia do. We can discuss on various way to support it. Not everyone has the budget to support every services and cost : phone bill, rent, internet bill…
And there are 3 things to support :
- the server + domain name
- the backup (more exactly sysadmin relay)
- its developpment (the software)
So i believe in a mix of users and public fund along a collective NGO organisation as https://chatons.org/ would guarantee long term service. Or we all switch to p2p as scuttlebutt.
Collective organisation will allow more cooperation between sysadmin, users and help us to defend our network, maybe shared cost. For example domain name as joinmastodon, joinpiefed…we could regroup them.
Instances should simply add ads.
With everyone here running an ad blocker, not sure how beneficial that would be
This would make me leave the fediverse because then survailance capitalism takes it over. We have that already with reddit, Instagram and threads, if someone likes ads so much they can go there.
I’m not advocating for this, and I would rather just donate, but how would you feel about ads that are in no way targeted? Or maybe ads that target the sub you view them in and not per user?
If I’m really really honest, If I can’t pay for not seeing ads or can’t block them then I am just not using that service. I know I’m extreme but I just can’t for the love of god stand advertisement. I’ve unsubscribed of so many podcasts because I figured out they would have ads and no way of getting rid of them for example.
That seems extreme. There will always be another instance out there without ads, and ads can always be blocked, and not all ads employ tracking and privacy invasive measures.
I’m against.
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Aren’t the Lemmy devs assholes or something? I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything good about them.
The topic regularly brought up is their political stance https://github.com/dessalines/essays
Personally I think Lemmy is still the most advanced of the 3 platforms. Mbin and Piefed are catching up, but there aren’t there yet
Why are they the most advanced ? Lemmy lacks lot features compared to mbin and piefed. For example the mod board is minimalistic.
- functional mobile apps (I know betas are here for Piefed)
- cross posting
- comments view
- Yes the API is coming soon
- Crossposting is working but only for links. They told me it is inspired by crossposting on mbin. Honnestly i miss crosspost for video as peertube (but the problem is that peertube ehannel won’t get comment)
- i also miss a lot comment view :)
As an Mbin user: what are you referring to with “comments view”? I assume that’s not the comments page of threads (because both have that).
On lemmy, we have two view : post view/ comment view.
If you want to get the latest comment on your instance, you click on comment view. So you can join the lastest discussion. Here is an example :
https://jlai.lu/?dataType=Comment&listingType=Local&sort=New
Comment view turn your timeline into a live chat, as mastodon.
Oh, Mbin does have that for domain pages, so it shouldn’t be too hard to implement a general one for Mbin. I think rather than it being a feature Mbin is “behind” on, it’s probably more that it doesn’t fit the vision of the devs and is deliberately kept out.
@Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com
To be honnest, i don’t share their political view, nor the way they manage their instance and deny some history’s fact.
And, i would like that we avoid critizing lemmy devs in this community. Have you tried mbin and piefed ? If so whats your opinion ? :)
I frequently criticize their attitudes yet at the same time I also appreciate so much that they have released the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS. I highly respect that decision - so much so that I tend to think of them as (extremely) difficult friends/allies rather than some kind of opposition
They both simultaneously hold back the wider adoption of the Threadiverse among a more mainstream audience (who enjoys being explicitly made fun of? yet Lemmy.ml makes fun of Western culture all the time, on top of / in addition to their disdain for capitalism), even while having helped the portion of our shared cause SO MUCH by having created a truly viable Reddit alternative. It isn’t perfect, but it’s damn fine and I enjoy it, and therefore props to them. Legit I wish I could say that more often too, without doing so bringing out all the trolls.
Bc fuck spez, that’s why!:-P
$5-$10 as a one off. Same as I’ve done for VLC, Calibre and Winamp. Actually I gave VLC a bunch because there was an odd thing years ago with my mobile plan that gave me the same value in google_bux as well as the phone/data/sms stuff. There wasn’t really anything worth buying for me back then so I just kept spending it on the VLC paid donate option.
Zero. I also won’t watch ads.
