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At some point, the relevance of the system becomes so low, and the cost so high, that it doesn’t make sense to maintain. Imagine still maintaining horse feeding stations along the roads.
I agree, the point of post isn’t to be profitable. But when it’s no longer critical infrastructure, and the state can’t maintain it without extensive losses, then we should privatise it. If the private sector can’t maintain it with a profit, and it remains non-critical, we should shut it down.
Not sure I buy the “not critical infrastructure” argument. Even if 95% of public (and private) correspondence is digital these days, paper-mail is still used as a fallback for some institutions and whenever a physical copy must be sent for whatever reason.
I don’t think 95% is right, but in any case, when does it then stop being critical infrastructure? At 99% digital correspondence? 100%? Never?
Must we maintain a working national postal service, with all its employees and logistics, just in case?
That is an easy question to answer. Sending letters becomes non-critical when it is cheaper to send the incidental letter as a package than it is to maintain the letter sending service.
Keep in mind that Denmark is a very digitalized society. Nearly everything is digital secure mail, like bills and information from the municipality or government. I’d say it’s closer to 99.5% than 95%.
Are you willing to give up the pamphlet with all current discounts in the supermarkets nearby just because the government doesn’t want to mail you anymore? Joking, but still: I’m sure mail is still required for a variety of reasons.
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I know you said you were joking but this is a terrible example as these have been digital and easily accessible via apps for a long time haha.
I’m struggling to think of cases where it is truly necessary. Obviously sometimes you get physical letters from banks to get new credit cards. But this is like, one letter every 5 years? Perhaps there’s a few other things like that. But yea honestly I don’t think the government has to be in charge of mail at that point as it is so underused.
That is actually one of my main uses of mail, and I do really appreciate them.
Regarding important things, I live in a foreign country and when I have to vote for my government I get sent a letter, I vote and send back the letter. If the country I lived in removed mail I would not be able to vote in this way.
Privatizing the mail service should be a huge concern to everyone involved. Why is it always bad news every where?
For this kind of bad news, the answer is capitalism. All over the world governments serve capital and not the people.
Denmark is highly digitized. Mail is no longer a critical infrastructure, no need for the state to maintain it.
Does the Danish postal service not deliver packets? Is it really that different from delivering letters?
It does. And yes, it is. The logistics and pricing are very different. For one, by shutting down the letter system they can nix the mail drop-off boxes that were all over the place.
I’m glad they’re giving us a 400yr warning. Lets me plan ahead
The Danes are seeing the US more and more as an enemy, however they have adapted the USAian culture. For some reason though, those aren’t the “immigrants” they want to keep out of their country.
We really haven’t. This is the opposite of American culture. Our healthy, centralised public system has evolved beyond physical mail, and there is no reason for the collective to carry the cost of an irrelevant infrastructure.
This can be done responsibly because we have spent decades developing a public, secure, national digital alternative
Really? Cinemas aren’t filled with USAian films? No SUVs in the city centers for no good reason? USAian food isn’t found everywhere? There’s no growing political divide between “left” and “right”? US trends don’t permeate every space? Children mostly consume Danish media and learn Danish nursery rhymes? They mostly enjoy Danish puppets, Danish games, and Danish traditions? Nobody is into halloween and does trick or treating? Random USAian numbers like 420, 911, and 6/7 have no meaning in Denmark? The majority of music consumed by Danes is in Danish, Swedish or Norwegian?
Sure.
I thought you were talking about the closing of our postal system.
Closing the postal system is just the next step in adopting US culture and thinking.
How is it not the opposite? The only reason we can do it is because of the reasons we’re unlike the US. Centralised, digitized, with a trusted state and a coherent public sector.
If the US were to shut down their postal system, it would be to weaken the public system and enrich some billionaire by holding critical infrastructure hostage.
In Denmark we’re doing it because we’ve invested so much in a comprehensive national digital post system, which is so good that the volume of letters is so vanishingly small that even a private actor will barely be able to turn a profit from delivering them.
In Denmark we’re doing it because we’ve invested so much in a comprehensive national digital post system, which is so good that the volume of letters is so vanishingly small that even a private actor will barely be able to turn a profit from delivering them.
From the article
Danes will still be able to send letters, using the delivery company Dao, which already delivers letters in Denmark but will expand its services from 1 January from about 30m letters in 2025 to 80m next year. But customers will instead have to go to a Dao shop to post their letters – or pay extra to have it collected from home – and pay for postage either online or via an app.
This is a correct quote. Is there a point you’d like to make?
