Summary
White House aides are anxious ahead of Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement on Tuesday, expecting new “reciprocal tariffs” but lacking clear details.
Even key figures like VP J.D. Vance and Chief of Staff Susie Wiles remain uncertain. An insider told Politico, “No one knows what the f–k is going on.”
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and adviser Kevin Hassett said tariffs would target 10–15 countries, but Trump contradicted them, claiming all countries would face tariffs.
The confusion and internal contradictions have sparked fears of economic fallout and political backlash.
At this point we can consider ourselves lucky if he doesn’t straight up announce the annexation of either Canada or Greenland.
I honestly think it will be this.
That’s what I’m expecting. The optimist in me thinks he could pull an amnesia on wensday about tariffs to right the economy. But probably just invade Greenland or something
Which would be an illegal order that wouldn’t be followed.
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I’m talking about the army specifically, the most basic grunt has an obligation to refuse to obey illegal orders even if they come from the Joint chief of staff in person. The process is simple, confirm the order, day you believe it to be illegal, refuse to obey until proven wrong.
And again, with both armies being so intertwined, they would be asking to fight their friends, the odds that they would refuse these illegal orders would be even higher. Add the attacks on VA by the Republicans and the worst case scenario would be that the army would be divided and the pro-Trump camp would end up fighting the anti-Trump camp.
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The difference is that the army drills that into the soldiers mind, public servants might be told to do it in passing as part of their onboarding, it’s never made as clear as in the army.
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They’ll get jailed or discharged because who cares? If America is at war Trump can do even more crazy shit. They’re gonna sacrifice a few willing and disposable idiots in meaningless suicide missions until the rest of the grunts feel guilty for not helping their fellow soldiers. Morale will be abysmal but so is that of the Russian troops and yet they’re fighting. I wouldn’t rely on the military to put an end to this. It rarely plays out that way.
Wont they just be shot or disappeared? Its not like the army hasn’t any experience or problems with murder.
In theory it wouldn’t be followed.
With how mixed together the US and Canadian armies are, the grunts would probably rather shoot the people giving the order instead of following them. You might have some MAGA soldiers, but that just means that instead of fighting “the enemy” the US Army will end up fighting itself.
You mean like pretty much every order he has given that has been followed??
What illegal orders has the army been given? None.
You mean like the the unsanction invasion of Iraq under the false pretense of WMD?.. No, that never happened
So Trump gave that order?
Oh so your claim is that Trumps’s illegal orders would be refused? Not illegal orders from other presidents? OK my bad
I guess the illegal deportations would be my answer then… Aren’t these done with military planes?
What legally constitutes an illegal order? I wonder if this would qualify. Certainly, I should hope it does.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1itmpn4/we_need_to_have_a_discussion_about_lawful_orders/
Good post on that subject