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    Russian could have been such a woke language if Russia wasn’t such a right-wing shithole. It’s kind of elegant how you gender verbs when talking about yourself, because your conversation partner can just pick up on it and gender you accordingly.

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    I have friends who use it. It feels kind of weird and wrong for me as if I’m objectiving them but if that’s what they want it’s what they get.

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      Yeah I’d be quite uncomfortable with calling anyone “it”. I’ll gladly use they/them, I’d be down to learn some neopronouns, but calling someone “it” is something I’d rather avoid. Even if someone likes “it” pronouns, I’d still feel incredibly weird doing so in public. Calling people an “it” is often done here to mock androgynous people. It feels dehumanizing. If I were to do so in public, it would mean they people around me (who don’t know the other person’s preference) would probably assume I’m doing so to mock them.

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        On the other hand, when I was learning English this was the weirdest thing to me. What do you mean you have a gender neutral pronoun and it’s not acceptable to use it to refer to someone we don’t know the gender of?

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        I admit I use “they” when they’re not around and luckily it rarely happens that I need to use their pronouns when I’m out with them.

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      I have friends who use “it”. It feels kind of weird and wrong for me as if I’m objectifying it but if that’s what it wants it’s what it gets.

      ftfy

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    In Chinese, verbally the world for he, she, and it are all the same pronunciation. It is only differentiated in writing.

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    No joke: in my native German dialect, women are grammatically neutral.

    My then gf was completely shocked when visiting my birth region for the first time.
    It still married me, though! :-)

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        There is only one third person singular pronoun (“O”) used for people (regardless of gender) and objects alike.

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          Huh once again, hungarian is very similar to turkish. We have “ő” for that. No aninimity or gender distinction. Tho we do have this, that and a third one which i guess translates to yonder? But yeah in some constructions you can specify aninimity with them.

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          Also the word for “they” is “onlar” which is just “o” with the prular suffix “lar” attached, that’s like using “its” to mean “them.”

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          Yeah in common spoken language we call everything “it”, except sometimes pets are “he/she”, because people are signaling they’re valued as persons are

          Edit// we only have two third person pronouns, se (it) and hän (he/she)

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    I have an nb friend who’s Finnish. They prefer “It” as a pronoun. I had to explain that as a white native english speaker, we have shat the bed waaayyy too hard to use that one in our language.

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      I mean, in casual spoken finnish, “it” dominates. The third person singular for people “hän” is already gender neutral, but I guess we prefer not to make assumptions about anyone’s personhood :D. Or maybe it (se) just rolls off the tongue more conveniently.

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        Also funnily enough many people use “hän” when talking about pets and other animals whilst still using “se” when talking about people. “Hän” feels a bit stiff and formal when talking about people.

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          “Hän” feels like thee thou in English to me, way too old timey and formal.

          It (se) is neutral and relaxed

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            “Thou” is actually the informal alternative to “you”. It came to be seen as insulting and its usage was dropped.

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          Yeah, I think it’s to make sure that the animal in question is being recognized as an individual, whereas for people that’s taken for granted.

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        Yah, i get why they prefer using it and in Finnish it’s fine. In English it’s…Very much not. It’s a dehumaniser. Was an interesting conversation.

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        I think it has a lot to do with how it conjugates, “sen” and “sillä” is quicker than “hänen” and “hänellä”.

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    I never get mad at “it” because it gives me flashbacks to Shale from Dragon Age Origins and I absolutely love her. she’s amazing.