The funniest shit is that the minimum rear cog regulation while dumb as fuck, was only paused because it hurts SRAM’s bottom line. The minimum bar width is terrible for smaller riders, but it’s fine because no corporation is hurt
Yeah the minimum handlebar width is just ludicrous. It should be a minimum of equal to the rider’s shoulder width, or some formula based on shoulder width.
The article made me realise that the long-standing minimum bike weight has the same problem. 6.8 kg might be a reasonable minimum weight (or even an overly-generous one) for a 190 cm tall rider, but it probably severely limits someone who’s 150 cm. And that’s aside from the fact that material science has moved on and bikes can be perfectly safe at much lighter weights than they could a quarter of a century ago when the limit was imposed.
Hmm, could be. But I’d say the same factors (changes in what materials are available—this time at commercial prices rather than simply physically available—and the difference in weights for different sizes) apply.
And that’s aside from the fact that material science has moved on and bikes can be perfectly safe at much lighter weights than they could a quarter of a century ago when the limit was imposed.
Do you have some sources on that? Yes, I know that you can build a bike out of carbon, but I really do fear that building a really safe bike in under 6,8kg is somehow impossible. Current DuraAce weighs 2332g. That gives you 4,5kg for the rest of the bike, wheels, handlebars, saddle and so on. That is possible - the lightest commercial available bicycle weighs just 4,4kg, but that makes serious compromises. You’re sacrificing the safety margin for weight reduction and that is totally nothing you want to support
Is the simple fact that many smaller riders already add ballast to their bikes in order to get up to the minimum weight (one example) not sufficient evidence of that? Why would they ride on a supposedly unsafe bike if it doesn’t even give them an actual weight benefit?
@Zagorath@hemko The ultimate in UCI cover ups, suggesting they checked all women’s UCI race handlebars at TdU and UAE and didnt find any, when Trek (?) highlighted the majority of their riders on those tours used < 40cm width handlebars.
was only paused because it hurts SRAM’s bottom line.
Wasn’t it paused due to the Belgian court decision in the matter?
The minimum bar width is terrible for smaller riders, but it’s fine because no corporation is hurt
Wasn’t this restriction relaxed to the point of not being that harmful to smaller riders? The initial rule was definitely overboard, but the updated numbers seemed like they could be pretty reasonable.
A rule which relates the number to the physiology of the rider would probably be a better call, though.
Wasn’t it paused due to the Belgian court decision in the matter?
Yeah, SRAM sued UCI 🤣
Wasn’t this restriction relaxed to the point of not being that harmful to smaller riders? The initial rule was definitely overboard, but the updated numbers seemed like they could be pretty reasonable.
Maybe there was some changes, but still many are riding with 36-38cm bars currently that are well under the new limit
The funniest shit is that the minimum rear cog regulation while dumb as fuck, was only paused because it hurts SRAM’s bottom line. The minimum bar width is terrible for smaller riders, but it’s fine because no corporation is hurt
Yeah the minimum handlebar width is just ludicrous. It should be a minimum of equal to the rider’s shoulder width, or some formula based on shoulder width.
The article made me realise that the long-standing minimum bike weight has the same problem. 6.8 kg might be a reasonable minimum weight (or even an overly-generous one) for a 190 cm tall rider, but it probably severely limits someone who’s 150 cm. And that’s aside from the fact that material science has moved on and bikes can be perfectly safe at much lighter weights than they could a quarter of a century ago when the limit was imposed.
Isn’t the weight limit also about the price and competitiveness - to avoid F1 like scenario when top teams can throw a ton of money into?
Apparently F1 introduced a cost cap, so that rich teams can’t just throw money at it.
Could be, I’m not following it for quite some years, like 15 or so. Though cost cap is something one can workaround, while for weight one can’t not.
Hmm, could be. But I’d say the same factors (changes in what materials are available—this time at commercial prices rather than simply physically available—and the difference in weights for different sizes) apply.
Do you have some sources on that? Yes, I know that you can build a bike out of carbon, but I really do fear that building a really safe bike in under 6,8kg is somehow impossible. Current DuraAce weighs 2332g. That gives you 4,5kg for the rest of the bike, wheels, handlebars, saddle and so on. That is possible - the lightest commercial available bicycle weighs just 4,4kg, but that makes serious compromises. You’re sacrificing the safety margin for weight reduction and that is totally nothing you want to support
Is the simple fact that many smaller riders already add ballast to their bikes in order to get up to the minimum weight (one example) not sufficient evidence of that? Why would they ride on a supposedly unsafe bike if it doesn’t even give them an actual weight benefit?
@Zagorath @hemko The ultimate in UCI cover ups, suggesting they checked all women’s UCI race handlebars at TdU and UAE and didnt find any, when Trek (?) highlighted the majority of their riders on those tours used < 40cm width handlebars.
Wasn’t it paused due to the Belgian court decision in the matter?
Wasn’t this restriction relaxed to the point of not being that harmful to smaller riders? The initial rule was definitely overboard, but the updated numbers seemed like they could be pretty reasonable.
A rule which relates the number to the physiology of the rider would probably be a better call, though.
Yeah, SRAM sued UCI 🤣
Maybe there was some changes, but still many are riding with 36-38cm bars currently that are well under the new limit