Can’t wait for the Chicago agreement where France and Germany let the US annex Greenland but America has to super pinky promise not to annex the rest of Denmark
I think there are many examples, from the top of my head, I’d say Macedonian Expansion under Philip II, Napoleonic Wars, Second Punic War, Great Turkish War , Second Boer War, Caucasian War, Franco-Prussian War, Gulf War
Debatable: while countries did enter NATO that is not the same as getting acquired by a dictator. The resources of such countries were not taken by the “occupying” forces.
As an exercise I’ll take this as a valid case. That still makes them only 2 examples throughout human history, does that count as a common way in which wars start?
Both sides are currently stealing Ukraine’s resources though? Do you not remember Trump demanding mineral rights or Ukraine selling off ports, schools, and SoEs for pennies under Biden? I dont think I need to point to examples of Russian theft.
It counts under the first point in the list above.
However, it sounds to me like you’re referring to current events; how would that address my question?
My question is regarding historical examples to treat such mechanics as an established and common way in which wars appear.
I don’t remember too many wars starting that way, but I may be very wrong.
That’s just the international equivalent of “thoughts and prayers”
What they need to do is put out an arrest warrant for Trump in the Hague where he should get a fair trial and a chance to defend himself on the legality of the invasion. If he fails, Europe should collectively embargo the US.
Let there be some real world consequences for once, not just a condemnation
Nobody is able to embargo the US. Not Europe, not China, not Europe and China combined. It would be catastrophic, we simply don’t have the domestic capacity. Tech, certain medications, military hardware, spare parts, etc.
Sure, we could get a passable replacement for everything in 5 years or so, but until then it would literally cost lives.
@Tja@masterflappie actually I think with china, Europe would have for everything an adequate replacement. China is very independent. BUT Europe would just replace the US with China and tbh. that’s not better. Europe is now getting what the laziness of the last decades deserve. China went from a third world country to a fully independent nation within 30 years who can stand against the US. Europe gave that power away long ago. It‘s time to regain the independence.
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Can’t wait for the Chicago agreement where France and Germany let the US annex Greenland but America has to super pinky promise not to annex the rest of Denmark
And in the same breath Denmark buys 300 F-47s
How many examples outside of WWII are there in which such a mechanism started a war?
I think there are many examples, from the top of my head, I’d say Macedonian Expansion under Philip II, Napoleonic Wars, Second Punic War, Great Turkish War , Second Boer War, Caucasian War, Franco-Prussian War, Gulf War
Ukraine?
Debatable: while countries did enter NATO that is not the same as getting acquired by a dictator. The resources of such countries were not taken by the “occupying” forces.
As an exercise I’ll take this as a valid case. That still makes them only 2 examples throughout human history, does that count as a common way in which wars start?
Both sides are currently stealing Ukraine’s resources though? Do you not remember Trump demanding mineral rights or Ukraine selling off ports, schools, and SoEs for pennies under Biden? I dont think I need to point to examples of Russian theft.
Does it count if just a new head of state is installed that hands over the resources of the country to the companies of the dictator?
It counts under the first point in the list above. However, it sounds to me like you’re referring to current events; how would that address my question? My question is regarding historical examples to treat such mechanics as an established and common way in which wars appear.
I don’t remember too many wars starting that way, but I may be very wrong.
Yeah, how dare he not declare war on a nuclear superpower over a Venezuelan dictator!
I think Putin already showed how little the world is willing to go to war to defend the weak.
That’s a strawman and you know it.
Even just saying they condemn the kidnapping would have been enough.
That’s just the international equivalent of “thoughts and prayers”
What they need to do is put out an arrest warrant for Trump in the Hague where he should get a fair trial and a chance to defend himself on the legality of the invasion. If he fails, Europe should collectively embargo the US.
Let there be some real world consequences for once, not just a condemnation
Nobody is able to embargo the US. Not Europe, not China, not Europe and China combined. It would be catastrophic, we simply don’t have the domestic capacity. Tech, certain medications, military hardware, spare parts, etc.
Sure, we could get a passable replacement for everything in 5 years or so, but until then it would literally cost lives.
None are able to embargo the big ones like China, the EU or even India.
BTW this is how you know Russia is not one of the big ones.
@Tja @masterflappie actually I think with china, Europe would have for everything an adequate replacement. China is very independent. BUT Europe would just replace the US with China and tbh. that’s not better. Europe is now getting what the laziness of the last decades deserve. China went from a third world country to a fully independent nation within 30 years who can stand against the US. Europe gave that power away long ago. It‘s time to regain the independence.