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This is Europe. We collectively don’t support what the US is doing in Venezuela, or threatening in Columbia. Stay TF out of Europe. We need to unlink reliance on the US. Trump today, with a myriad of other morons lined up.
Better get some new leaders then that don’t have their heads stuck up Trump’s arse.
Oh we do need some new ones. I think many still do hold the right stance. Weeding the garden with every election if we’re loud enough. Prior to that, letting the leaders know what we want to get them working for self interest to stay in position.
Do you really see this? In what country? Like most of Sweden may dislike Trump, but more than half wants his politics here; isolationist, racist, nationalist, deregulation, privitization. The party leaders sometimes call out Trump and their dislike for him, and people eat it up and still vote for the same politics. I see nothing changing here.
Politics is always the same. We are in the UK. You don’t need me to describe overt racism and silly standards. The only thing they understand is a change of vote or support from them to someone else. We don’t want it to move towards more right-wing. We need sensible people with brains making their voices heard.
Lol. If that was true they would vote very differently.
I’m siding with NATO if the US invades Greenland.
Risky bet as NATO would probably not survive the US invading another member. If NATO dissolves I would argue that that is defeat.
NATO is effectively over. Nobody would count on Trump respecting article 5…
I mean the good part of NATO, obviously.
Maybe better idea would be to rally IN FRONT of Greenland?
An invasion for a hostile place like that would be extremely reliant on supplies. Running out of supplies means rapidly becoming completely unable to fight and probably even freezing to death.
Ships would be vulnerable to submarines and arctic ice. The US would have to rely mainly on its air power but the weather there can make it extremely difficult, if not impossible for long periods of time. It is also extremely challenging to distribute those supplies on land over long distances.
And that’s even supposing that your soldiers even know the basics of how to survive in an Arctic environment like that or they’d just die on their own. And having done some cold weather exercises with Americans, I can tell you that the vast majority of them don’t stand a chance against the elements. Leave them there to their own devices for two days and the survivors will be surrendering to the locals in exchange for a warm place to be.
Really, a place like that has many, many ways to make an invasion go wrong.
It’s a bit easier when they already have a base in Greenland
I hate it, but unless the world begins stationing defenses in Greenland there’s no chance. The US doesn’t even need aircraft. They have ballistic missiles that can reach from the mainland to Greenland.
The US spent decades ensuring it can project power anywhere in the world at any time, and don’t think Greenland is a unique environment for the US military. Several northern Alaskan bases have been in operation since the cold war. They know the environment.
It’s scary. I’d imagine all cities would be lost within days and the most remote areas would be able to host an insurgency. See Afghanistan, but if the US is going to annex Greenland they will throw even more resources at it
Not an arm chair general but I found this former finnish officer’s take on the outcomes interesting / educational: https://youtu.be/8hdthsG8tks
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They will need nukes in greenland.
The actions of the US and Russia in the past several years has been a great argument for nations to build nuclear stockpiles. Which is bad globally, but is a totally reasonable reaction
I mean, we can go back to the Axis of Evil and see how it went.
That was a random thing that some George Bush Jr. advisor invented, lumping Iraq, Iran, and North Korea together.
Iraq: invaded, destroyed (no nukes)
Iran: bombed regularly, leaders assassinated (no nukes)
North Korea: love affair with Trump (nukes)
They should have been increasing their military spending over 10 years ago when Trump was in office and talked about taking the USA out of NATO.
I can’t wait for nukes to finally be used again and it not doing a damn thing to stop proliferation.
Time to send our submarines to the area.
Hey US, do you remember the last encounter with the Gotland class?
Either way, let me remind you.
WE DOMINATED YOU.
The Gotland simulated sinking your carriers time and time again, and you had no idea we were even in the area.
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