Right after ICE Agent Johnathan Ross executed a US citizen in cold blood
I don’t “presume innocence” when I see someone shooting someone else in the face. Kind of stupid.
It doesn’t matter if a judge and jury says so or disagrees, he still shot her in the face while in absolutely no danger.
He’s guilty, independent of any court ruling, it’s not debatable.
The fake cop/murdeter gets innocence presumed, but not the innocent woman he executed? Every cop should get what they deserve.
Gotta say, first time I’ve seen a police group so dedicated to driving home the ACAB messaging.
Any police organization standing behind what is clearly shown to be an abuse of authority by plainly recorded evidence should be disbanded, as they are clearly more interested in threats to their authority than why they have the authority in the first place.
The lady they shot sure didn’t get any of that due process. Hypocrites.
“When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning”
Well, that’s an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any “due process” occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.
also, cops are immune to prosecution, so the court of public opinion is like, all they have
The ruling in Harlow v Fitzgerald was actually illegal according to the full text of the law as written and passed. SCOTUS was given an illegally amended copy of the law.
Qualified Immunity is illegal.
no that can’t be true, obviously a just and honorable institution like the supreme court would have caught a mistake in the time since and corrected it. are you trying to besmirch the supreme court’s honor? you know theyre the SUPREME court, right? how dare you
Sorry Sque
They’re not completely immune. If the action is egregious enough or unpopular enough with the public (which seems to be what they’re complaining about), police can be convicted of crimes. Derek Chauvin, for example.
It took me way too long to realise it’s the immunity that’s qualified, not the officer.
Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.
Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.
Yeah, I feel like that’s a rather large thing to have overlooked. How the fuck do you release a statement saying citizens have a presumption of innocence when the guy literally judged and executed a citizen on the spot?
Sounds about right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror
exact same due process as any other citizentreated like an innocent person and are often moved districts for a fresh start FTFYIn the “we’re going to investigate ourselves” phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.
When its public enough and visible enough that it can’t be avoided, sure.
And then once things die down, they get pardons, or a win on appeal by a friendly judge, whatever, and back on the street in anither district. From DUIs to manslaughter and more, and fully reinstated. Some aren’t as lucky and just end up with a suspended sentence and probation.
The number who actually go to prison for their crimes is miniscule.
I’m curious about the due process of getting shot in the face…
If you live there you’ll find out first hand soon enough, I guess.
But yeah it’s a valid question.
There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:
'Citizens are afforded… ’ categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.
Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.
Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)
Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.
I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.
But people say mean things about them online :(
Killing and kidnapping citizens is what ACTUALLY makes law enforcement work more dangerous, and yet this letter sure sounds a lot like “stop resisting.” Hmm.
When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bites.
Law enforcement officers wield a significant amount of power over civilians, and should be held to a higher level of standard and scrutiny. You know, with great powers comes great responsibilities.
Maybe one reason why there is systematic condemnation when a law enforcement official is involved in a crime is because the population is increasingly mistrustful because of incompetent officers that tarnishes your profession by acting recklessly and with apparent impunity?
An important aspect of policing is to defuse and deescalate situations when possible, not make a bad situation worse. This communication does none of that. If you want to regain trust, be the better person and use this tragic event to improve, not double down.
You are asking fascist paramilitary goons to be the bigger person. It’s not gonna work.
ACAB verified
Where did this come from? I’d like to see the original and it’s not on their website.
I found a Breitbart article and an X post from the MNFOP. Still looking for a non-nazi source, but it’s legit. Fucking disgusting pigs. The facts are already out, have been since the start.
And of course, nothing about all the bald-faced lies coming from Trump or Norm. No calls of restraint to them. These fuckers make me sick.
Pigs gonna fucking “oink”.
“Doing their jobs”
What does that job involve? Murder, surveillance, imprisonment, harassment of the community?
Yeah jeez wonder why it’s such an issue
Maybe their job is morally repugnant and shouldn’t exist. How about that?
Fraternal Order of Police
What kind of cringe ass fucking name is that?
ACAB
The blue circlejerk was already taken, I suspect.
Sometimes I hate where my mind goes.
The thin bluekkake.
It’s the standard naming convention for all US police unions.
Innocent people don’t have to hide behind masks you stupid motherfuckers.
Luigi did and he’s innocent
Luigi was just going about his life. Not engaging in law enforcement. Maybe I should have said “Innocent cops”
there are no innocent cops. the problem with cops isn’t that they wear masks, it’s that they wanna ban everyone else from doing the same. same with gun ownership, they want to maintain the monopoly on violence so we can’t defend ourselves
Oink oink is all I see here
In the war between ICE and civilians, the police have declared they’re siding with ICE. They have identified themselves as your enemy, and everyone should act accordingly.
Lol, my first thought was, “no one has said shit about cops on this until you opened your mouth and picked a side.”
Did this shitty letter come from the GOP HQ in fucking Moscow? If not, the Fraternal Order of Police is fucked in the head.
They aren’t Russian, nor are they “fucked in the head”, they’re fascists, doing fascist stuff. ACAB.
