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“It is the duty of the poor to support and sustain the rich in their power and idleness. In doing so, they have to work before the laws’ majestic equality, which forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.”
Anatole France
Well. That seems fair, I mean, 40 is bigger than 15… /S
I’m annoyed by it saying he got ‘slightly less’ that the six years prosecutors wanted. 40 months is 3 1/3 years. That’s not slightly less than six years, that’s almost half.
“The petty thief is imprisoned but the big thief becomes a feudal lord.”
Look at the bright side. The homeless man don’t have to sleep outside anymore
Not sure the judge had that in mind when sentencing but for some people prison is preferable to homelessness.
I met a homeless man in Kiel. He was homeless in the summer and checked in at rehab in the winter. He thought that was great.
Meanwhile in Vietnam:
If you have the power to confiscate their wealth, you’ve already ‘won’ - there is no need for the death penalty at that point.
Maybe, but it is satisfying to see.
i think her sentenced got commuted, or reduced to life imprisonment last i heard.
100% i think any transgression where the harm is diffuse but the benefit is immense should be punishable by complete claiming of the entire wealth of a person, along with anything they have granted to their kin.
Someone who murders in rage may be reformed. Someone who screws people in sales, or embezzles a pension fund, or directs a contract towards a friend understands only the cold non-morality of coins.
I did some digging, and the mastermind of the scheme Allen was involved in (who he helped investigators nail, one of the main reasons his sentence was reduced) was sentenced to 30 years. However, he was only forced to hand over a paltry $38.5 million, out of $3 billion?! Barely 1% of the defrauded amount!
Seems like it’d be pretty straightforward to, as a rule, penalize for the entire ‘profit’ of the fraud as a baseline, then you can add the fee (otherwise, you’d still just be breaking even if caught) on top of that.
That’s 1%. $300,000,000 would be 10%.
Seems like it’d be pretty straightforward
You’d think so, but the entire legal system is set up to protect the bourgeois and their interests (including maintaining a productive level of poverty and violence) not actual justice or human flourishing.
It’s why you get a harsher penalty for “breaking into” a bin full of discarded produce than defrauding thousands of pensions.
Cool and good.
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See, if you successfuly steal $3bn, that means God loves you or whatever
Homeless guy failed to steal $100 (he felt bad about it lmao), so he’s evil
I wonder how far you can push morality.
“If god loved you then we would have been made to give you 40 months, the fate made us give you 3 years instead. Therefore it’s just.”
Now let’s see Paul Allen’s jailcell
…and bullets recovered at the scene with the words “HEY” and “PAUL” carved into them led the investigation to surmise that the shooter was a Beatles fan…
It’s not a criminal justice system you have, it’s a citizen suppression tool. No justice will be found, and the vast majority of “dangerous criminals” in the system are there for petty drug crimes. Many fraudulently brought by a corrupt system intent of painting a certain skin colour a certain way.
Some things to consider, for those interested in objectivity:
- We have basically no background info on Roy Brown (the homeless guy), no idea about prior convictions etc. that may have influenced the sentencing. Bizarrely, the actual crime on the books in Louisiana, where he committed it, has a massive sentencing range, of 3 to 40 years. This seems to be the one and only primary source for this info at all. Also, his was a violent crime,[1] which tend to carry harsher sentences compared to non-violent, regardless of the type of crime.
- Allen took one of those ‘help us fry the bigger fish and we’ll go easy on you’[2] deals from investigators, and as a result, prosecutors weren’t even seeking anything close to 15 years. Said bigger fish got 30 years.
- The laws, including sentencing minimums etc., aren’t exactly the same in Virginia (Allen) and Lousiana (Brown).
P.S. The Snopes article on this is 15 years old, so imagine the age of the actual screenshot.
Sure, whatever. Say that capitalism is bad and America is a fascist dictatorship or I’m going to downvote you.
Also, his was a violent crime
The violent crime he committed according to a liberal:
Brown admitted walking up to a teller with one of his hands under his jacket and telling her it was a “stickup.”
Threatening to shoot and kill someone if they don’t give you what you want, even if the victim is not aware you’re not actually armed, definitely counts, don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Also, I quoted that exact line in my own comment, why are you bringing that up in your reply as if it’s information I concealed/withheld or something?
It only counts only in a bullshit legal system way, of which no normal person should give the time of day too.
Poverty and stolen working class money actually kills people, finger guns do not.
To even pretend it is the other way around is the most vile fucking liberal take imaginable.
TBH I’ve been stabbed and I’ve been scammed and guess what set me back less.
If you’re in the US, the medical bills might cost you more than both
Said bigger fish got 30 years.
Here’s your tomato tomato. I’m not hugely familiar with crimlaw (everyone in the family did civil if they were in legal so those are the proceedings I’m familiar with) but the few criminal proceedings I followed closely, they’d pick one defendant and get all the others to turn on them. If you’d flip, you’d get 2 years for conspiracy. If you didn’t, you’d get 25 for wasting the court’s time.
I remember about twenty years ago, some assholes lost a company half a billion dollars got 6 months probation vs the 72 year old woman going through bankruptcy, who hid 30 grand of assets, she got 12 years.
It’s all bullshit
