• Dupelet@piefed.social
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      2 days ago

      Fuck off with your ‘apathy’ bullshit. You have no idea what I do outside of that community, or how I think. A place for people to relax and forget some cares is not ‘apathy’. You want to be seething and raging 24/7, you do you.

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        I don’t have a choice whether My gender is political. Whether My species identity is political. Whether My neurotype is political. The truth is, everything is political.

        But people like you want to transform politics into a dirty word, one that can be used against My gender, My species identity, My neurotype. You want to encourage people to fear and hate politics. That’s the complicity. That will always create a breeding ground for fascism.

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          my gender is political too; that doesnt mean i want to be constantly reminded of that

          i would be surprised if anyone on lemmy isnt aware of how bad things are in the world

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            You shouldn’t see politics as only the bad things in the world. Politics is your gender too, and your gender is great. Politics is great stuff too.

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              my gender is political only because some people decided to hate it. They forced me to stay closeted for years

              politics can be about great stuff, but there are specific communities for those already

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                Well, My gender is a social construct created from the ideas of the society in which I live. My gender arises from the politics of a particular time and place, informed by all of the culture and myth and history that came before. My gender is part of the memetic evolution of the zeitgeist. My gender is incredibly cool because of how political it is, and if it weren’t political, I’d be so so bored with it.

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          But people like you want to transform politics into a dirty word, […] You want to encourage people to fear and hate politics.

          Stop ascribing malicious intent to me that does not exist. I’m sorry your life sucks, and you have to fight for your right to exist. I wish you could take a step back and see the value in a place where you can stop fighting, stop raging for a moment and just be yourself. Even if you can’t however, realise that others who are in the same position as you may value that place. Don’t tear it down for others just because of your current state of mind.

          https://piefed.social/post/1668914 about a trans kid and her parents, is the 2nd highest upvoted post in the comm. The discussions in there speak volumes.

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            I like political movies like Star Wars. Political books like The Hunger Games. Political music like Enter Shikari. Political games like Frostpunk.

            For Me, politics isn’t the same as fighting. That’s your worldview. You’re the one who thinks politics is being angry and hurt. For Me, politics is life and joy. And what you are doing is resulting in people forgetting that all that joy they feel comes from politics.

            To Me, that meme is political and it’s fun, and as a trans person, I would hesitate and worry about posting it on your community. Because the message you are sending, regardless of your intent, is intimidating to people like Me. You can’t control that except by admitting that politics is fun.

            I love gathering around the board game table to play Secret Hitler or Coup. I bet you like politics too, and you’ve just forgotten it. If you’re not a centrist, then admit that you’ve had an absolute blast with politics some of the time.

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              There are a lot of definitions of the word ‘political’. I made it pretty clear in the rules that I was referring to Trump, the megacorps, and general gloom and doom of the day stuff. By that definition, none of your examples are ‘political’. Yes, you have your own definition that differs, but since we’re discussing the community and what it stands for, that’s the one that matters at the moment.

              Star wars? Hunger games? Frostpunk? Sure, post content about them, I’ll be the first to upvote them.

              It sounds like you’ve ascribed a definition and intent to the community that’s very different from what I stated in the sidebar, in which case this is actually just a semantics discussion of what ‘politics’ is.

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                If you choose to use a different definition of a common word than everyone else, you’re gonna have to reckon with semantics. If you made a community called c/aryanmemes and explained you’re using “aryan” to mean “nice person”, people would call you a Nazi for using a Nazi dogwhistle. “Politics” as a negatively loaded word is also a conservative dogwhistle. I’m upset with you for using a dogwhistle and expecting people not to be offended.

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                  If you choose to use a different definition of a common word than everyone else,

                  This is the first definition from Cambridge dictionary. I don’t see how my definition differs significantly.

                  the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations, or people who try to influence the way a country is governed:

                  “Politics” as a negatively loaded word is also a conservative dogwhistle

                  Perhaps in the US. I would remind you that you’re on a global website. Most of us use politics to mean, well, politics, not whatever conservative bullshit is going on.

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                    Wikipedia says:  
                    the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals  
                    
                    Merriam-Webster (My personal favourite) says:  
                    competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government)  
                    and:  
                    the total complex of relations between people living in society  
                    
                    Collins says:  
                    the actions or activities concerned with achieving and using power in a country or society.  
                    and:  
                    the ways that power is shared in an organization and the ways it is affected by personal relationships between people who work together  
                    

                    So, anything having to do with power or decision making within a group of people is politics. When you and your mates decide which takeout place to order from, the decision follows a political process. When your parents told you it was bed time, they used political power. When you come to trust someone’s opinion in guiding your personal decisions (like whether you should really include the chapter on bird mating calls in your work in progress fantasy novel), you’re engaging in politics.

                    Politics is all around us. It’s ridiculous to have a negative opinion of it. If there were no politics, there would be no societies, no families, no friendships, and no romantic relationships, because there would exist not a single mechanism for any group to have unified purpose or choice.

                    Unless you misdefine politics. That’s the trick. And it’s a very easy trick, you can do it without noticing. All you have to do is think in the back of your mind “politics is anything I disagree with”.

                    Boom. So long as you have the rhetorical skill or the social power to defend this assertion, you can take advantage of the propaganda of the ruling class for your own ends, and attack any goddamned idea in the world you want. You have an intrinsic claim to legitimacy in proportion with your ability to normalise your own opinions, and anyone who disagrees with you is committing “violence”. You have a terrible and destructive power to silence any and all dissent. What you say will go. Nobody can stop you.

                    What I have described just now is the worst extent of the power of belief in apolitics. Most people who believe in apolitics won’t act this way… if you don’t push them. If you keep agreeing with what they say in a vague sense, or phrase your disagreements charismatically, they won’t use this power. But it’s still there. And there is no sense at all in leaving around terrible powers that reinforce hierarchies of norms. Especially not if you are queer, neurodivergent, disabled, of colour, otherkin, or anything else that goes against the status quo. Because in a battle to attack the political, that which can claim legitimacy through normalcy will always win.

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                    I’m people who try to influence the way a country is governed. I’m a political activist. In fact, if you vote, you’re people who try to influence the way a country is governed too. So everything you and I do is politics, and the term has very little meaning.

                    But that definition is kind of bad, I much prefer the various other definitions I analysed on My blog. I could make the same arguments over again, but I don’t want to.

                    TL;DR: Everything is political.