I cannot see what strategic reasons these might be, or why they would justify the massive costs of invading a NATO and EU member state.

I am, of course, aware that the US president is a megalomaniac. But I think you are thinking too much from a political perspective: the US has been a plutocracy for decades. Therefore, the economy pulls the strings, and I cannot see what the massive losses that an invasion of Greenland would entail would justify - there really is no economic gain and that is all the US is about.

You want a short answer: it would cost the US economy billions to attack Europe, and that is why they will not do it.

No, I am definitely not one of those who believe that anyone who belongs to the elite or their minions in the US could be prosecuted for any offense - quite the contrary: I consider this completely out of the question, since the US is not a constitutional state but a plutocracy on the verge to dictatorship.

I am not a US citizen, but from Europe.

I still think that the US is bluffing, and I think that it may be the hubris of a nation whose citizens still believe that they are the only power in the world that makes this bluff possible. In fact, in my opinion, the US will soon be replaced by China as a superpower, if that is not already the case. However, this is not in terms of military power, but in terms of economic significance - and here, apart from the IT sector and the arms industry, the US no longer has much to offer. Europe is still important for both industries though, which is why I believe this is a bluff. The reason: due to the behavior of the US, the EU is already in the process of becoming more independent, which is a direct consequence of the irresponsible foreign policy of the first year of the current US regime. Attacking EU countries now would accelerate this process many times over, which the US cannot afford.

In short: I am a realist, and I’m pretty certain that the reality is that the US is already isolated due to its current foreign policy and is also heavily indebted. For this reason, I consider it impossible that the current administration would risk a complete break with the EU (and NATO), as this would not only hit Europe hard, but also the US. The winner would be China, the country that will overtake the US in the foreseeable future anyway.

In short, I consider the US regime’s policy not only irresponsible from a European perspective, but also absolutely disastrous from the US perspective. It is a policy of excessive self-overestimation that completely ignores reality.

Any EU country is by no means equivalent to any other country in the world for the US. What you say only confirms my opinion as an EU citizen that nothing but hostility can be expected from the US. The hubris is truly unbearable, and it seems that it is not just the pedophile head of state. It is remarkable how much self-importance a dying superpower can muster in its final death throes. The US is at an end, and this is not just due to decades of mismanagement…

I’m sorry for being so salty, but I no longer have any sympathy for US citizens trying to cover up for their criminal government with slogans from the 1980s. The world is different today, and there will be a rude awakening in the US when the intoxication of self-adulation wears off.

Please don’t get me wrong: I’m up for a laugh, but not for most of the stuff that 4chan finds funny because it’s at the expense of others (exceptions are, of course, those people who are quite rightly targeted, such as Nazis or TV priests who only enrich themselves at the expense of their clientele).

Sure, it’s just fun, and good fun at that. But I’m more concerned about people who are destructive. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with a little teasing - quite the contrary, in fact. Harmless fun in particular should be monetizable because it is so entertaining for all involved.

Yes, yes, please don’t misunderstand: a certain amount of trolling seems perfectly appropriate to me. I even believe that there are people who can hardly be dealt with in any other way. But I’m talking about trolling on this platform, where, in my opinion, there are relatively few absurd opinions that cannot be countered with arguments. Of course, there are also views here that run counter to rational thinking, but after more than two years here, it seems to me that most users, despite perhaps destructive views, are still somewhat reasonably willing to accept arguments (if not, in my opinion, it’s best to simply ignore them).

I mean, fortunately, we’re still quite a long way from reddit or even X or Truth Social here. So it seems to me that there is at least a willingness to discuss things here, which is why I can’t really understand why anyone would want to undermine that. I’m not referring to you at all, of course, and I very much appreciate your answer - I completely agree.

I’m just trying to understand why even here there are apparently people who are bent on pointless confrontation. I just don’t get that.

But a response doesn’t mean they’ve won in any way…

It just means that someone has responded, nothing more. How can that be considered a victory?

Edit: Not me with the downvote btw - I don’t get why ppl feel the need for that either, but that is a different topic.

So 4chan is ubiquitous? I had thought it was a self-reinforcing effect caused by completely degenerate people gathering on the same platform.

Please explain.

You must have a very fragile personality if you interpret this post in this manner. Your response to my comment only confirms this: truly pathetic!

If I, as a man, have anything to be ashamed of, it is people like you who, for whatever reason, feel the need to defend the scum of humanity, which is exactly what the two men pictured here are.

And yet it still seems to work somehow.

Yes, that’s clear, but not against the EU. That would cost the US dearly. There are various other countries he could abuse for this purpose. I assume that Venezuela served as preparation for an invasion of Cuba (Maduro was the most important oil supplier for Cuba). I simply cannot understand why anyone would believe that a military conflict with the EU is even remotely realistic. It would isolate the US and cost the already weak US economy billions. A war against any South American country would not, even though it would have the same bogus effect on the US population.

Moreover, Trump would be fulfilling a “US-dream” that has been propagated for ages if he attacked and maybe defeated Cuba. Why do you think he would strike against the last vassal states he has left (in fact that is what the EU is - I can confirm unfortunately because I’m from the EU, specifically from Germany where we have a head of state that is in fact a US lobbyist)? That would be absolutely insane.

An attack on Cuba in violation of international law would of course be equally reprehensible, but it would probably even been met with approval among US citizens, while it should be clear to any reasonably educated US citizen that a conflict with the EU would be completely contrary to the most basic US interests.

I cannot for the life of me understand how it is possible that these empty threats are taken even halfway seriously.

What makes you think that? What would he or the US gain from it?

Here we see two completely degenerate men. And your comment makes it clear that you identify with them. That says everything there is to know about you.

I mean, it makes sense to be informed about what’s going on, but seriously … “daycare panic”??? The level of blatant stupidity is simply unbearable. I think everyone here is aware of how absurd MAGA is. There’s really no need for further proof. What’s the point? Just for amusement?

I am by no means referring solely to the Epstein Files. What I mean is that, with this inhuman individual at the helm, the US is now being run like a veritable mafia state, very similar to nations like Russia, for example - organized crime in the truest sense of the word. This is a change from the usual plutocracy in that it is now more unscrupulous than ever: corruption is more obvious than ever and the profits of the elites are higher than ever, which can be easily seen in the exorbitant increase in the wealth of the top one percent. Likewise, the actions against the country’s own population are obviously more illegal than ever. To distract from how hollow the US system actually is, foreign policy is being used to make a big splash, which also provides opportunities for further self-enrichment - such as the abduction of Maduro, which is completely contrary to international law and from which the president and his influential supporters are likely to benefit personally.

The reasoning behind this seems quite simple to me, as it is a classic autocratic strategy: continuous distraction from events in one’s own country is needed. I mean, when you murder your own people as ruthlessly as this regime does, it doesn’t go down well - especially when it’s not just marginalized groups that have never had any significant influence in the US. However, in order to enable a state like Russia, which is currently pretty evident in the US I’d say, it is necessary to also eliminate resistance among intellectuals and other native American groups, i.e., among US citizens, which I thinks is likely to happen soon. This requires all the more distraction - and autocrats traditionally find this excuse in foreign policy.

In short: I think it is likely that the elites in the US, who have ruled the country for decades, have now decided to drop the pretense and switch from a sham democracy to the Russian model.

I consider Drump’s latest foreign policy initiatives to be preparation for this, although in my opinion the Greenland narrative is not a genuine intention, as it would be very costly for the elites, but merely a way of swearing that it does not matter who you take action against in foreign policy. It also serves to show US citizens how powerless they really are: I may be wrong, but I don’t think the majority of US citizens have any interest in starting a conflict with Europe, their long-standing ally. Nevertheless, they cannot and will not do anything about it, but are at the mercy of the regime, as evidenced by the fact that many US citizens take the chatter of their completely out-of-control head of state seriously.

Yes, I consider that a given: it’s the classic autocratic strategy.

Do you really think that MAGA foot soldiers are the main reason he was never prosecuted? I mean, he also has millions of opponents among the US population -and they obviously have no real influence whatsoever. That’s just how it is in a plutocracy: power lies not with the people, but with the elites.

It’s true, of course, that he has built a cult of personality around himself, but I think that was only possible because his supporters are so easily influenced. And the media, which he controls only through his connections, plays a key role in this. I mean, it’s not like MAGA has its own opinion: they have no values, they just follow. Whether they actually follow the orange rapist or rather the racist organizations that make up this “movement” is questionable, in my opinion. It may well be that they are indeed Drump disciples, but at the moment, they are all pulling in the same direction with their Nazi agenda with plenty of opportunities for other oportunists to enrich themselves while doing so. However, if Drump were to turn against the forces that are also very influential in these circles, it could become apparent that it is less about Drump and more about the political agenda behind this figurehead - also about opportunities for rather mid-level MAGA-functionaries to get rich with this ruse.

That may not necessarily be the case, but I don’t think it can be ruled out, as Drump could never have achieved this status without extremely influential help - the man was a B-list celebrity and little more than a ridiculous TV personality, a failure who actually managed to squander pretty much his entire father’s fortune through incredible stupidity. I don’t think he was clever or influential enough to get to where he is now even halfway on his own. That’s why I consider him a straw man and very much doubt that he is actually the one controlling the cult - I consider him merely the face, and in my opinion, that is interchangeable, as MAGA is so completely adaptable in its concerns.

So I don’t think Drump would risk a conflict with his elite supporters - he just earns too much from their existing agreement

To put it this way: I consider Drump to be nothing more than an opportunist, and therefore I consider him more comparable to Hermann Göring than to Adolf Hitler. For Drump, Nazi ideology is more of a means to an end, although he is certainly a racist, but even so, if in doubt, he would probably choose to maintain his degenerate lifestyle rather than persuade Nazi ideology with all it’s implications (for example he would never turn on Israel because they are his fascist allies even if they are jewish which is incompatible with “pure” Nazi-Ideology).

He gets away with everything because he controls the media through his billionaire friends - both traditional media and social media (Truth Social, which he owns, has little reach). Likewise, it is not him who controls people like Clarence Thomas for example (that would be billionaire Harlon Crow). So I’d say he is only untouchable because he acts in the interests of the elite. If he were to turn against them, things would very quickly look very differently.

I think it’s a foregone conclusion that the elite pushed him into the highest political office precisely because he is such a disgusting, perverted scumbag. That means there is more than enough dirt on him to bring him down. With Hitler, it was different.

Of course, it is always possible that he will use ICE, which is obviously a secret police force, against the elite, but I think it is rather unlikely that he actually has enough power to do so.

Yes, that’s true, but on the other hand, this criminal is also more than well known for bluffing with bullshit statements. And: This whole story is so completely absurd and would have such negative consequences that, in my opinion, it can only be another bluff. It could be fatal for the US because it would isolate the country even more. Not that the orange rapist would care about the fate of US citizens, but an attack on the EU would have economic consequences in the billions, and that can’t be good for the real rulers in the US, which is why they will forbid their puppet from making such a self-destructive move.

It may well be that they have lost control, as the German economic elite did with Hitler at the time, but I consider that unlikely, because there is so much dirt on this pedo that the elite can easily bring him down as soon as he falls out of favor.

I think we must never forget what an absolute clown the US president is: he was on the verge of bankruptcy before he became president. So he is not part of the ruling elite, but dependent on it - and if he steps out of line too much, even his MAGA cult will be of no use against the wrath of the one percent.