I guess personal attacks are your way of coping with the fact you can’t refute what was said and you’re angry I was correct. Well if that makes you feel better or lets you sleep at night I guess you got to do what you got to do

If you have to lie to make your point then you don’t have a very good point. I certainly did not blame everything on trans people. That’s a gross exaggeration to say the least. It is absolutely true whether you like it or not that Charlie Kirk was shot by a person because he was angry about what Charlie Kirk had said about trans people because his lover is a trans person. That is an objective verifiable fact. And it got brought up because somebody made a comment about how great it was that Charlie Kirk got shot and killed.

So here you are giving me a hard time because I said something that was true and you’re not admonishing the person who literally said that the murder of a human being was a great thing. “thanks for the favor”. That’s not offensive to you but the idea that I actually said that a trans person was involved in that shooting is something so horrific you have to take the time to chastise me

Seriously are you even listening to yourself? The bigotry and hatred here is on your side of the fence not mine. What I said was absolutely objectively true but it wasn’t response to somebody who was saying something an order of magnitude more horrible your problem is with me and not that person.

May I assume from that that you are in support of shooting public figures that say things you don’t like? Or killing democratically elected presidents because you didn’t win the vote? You seem to feel those are lesser issues than me actually accurately pointing out that a trans person was directly involved in this shooting and that the reason the shooting happened was because of a trans person

My definition of facts tends to be an objective, verifiable reality or truth that can be proven to exist or have occurred. But the problem is you run into isn’t the definition of facts. It’s that people interpret facts and then it becomes subjective not objective.

For example many on the left claim it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person. So once you allow that creative definition then the question of where is racism coming from becomes a subjective thing.

There’s little doubt in my mind that of the last several years the vast majority of hatred and bigotry sexism and other negative things of a similar nature come from the left. In this very thread we have people on the left actively hoping that a duly elected president gets killed. You don’t see that anywhere nearly the same from the right. A simple example.

Right wing websites or channels tend to allow any discussion and left when people are free to express their views. I just got banned from a channel on this forum for daring to suggest that the renegood shooting could legitimately be argued to be self-defense for the police officer. Way too controversial had to kick me off that channel. Didn’t say it rude or anything. I’m not calling you names here or saying you’re a bad person because I don’t share the same views as you although I think some of you views are Highly Questionable. And I address your points directly with reason. But take a look at the response to me in this thread

There ought to be a warning note at the door saying left wing views only or the like 😁

And to me, intelligent conversation centers around the idea of addressing the issues and points raised by the other person in a reasoned and logical way while respecting them even if they differ in one opinion, rather than focusing on attacking the person or using cheap debate techniques such as sea lioning.

I mean we’re having a reasonably intelligent conversation right now aren’t we? You’re not calling me a capitalist running dog ignorant Pig Nazi fascist who wants to see all puppies and little children dead, and I’m not calling you a democrat 😆 (BAWAAAHAHA sorry couldn’t help it)

people can disagree, even passionately, and still respect the other person’s opinion. And still respect the person. I don’t have to hate someone just because they think renee good was murdered and if you hate me because i think she wasn’t then there’s something wrong with you. (this is just an example btw, wasn’t stating how you feel about it).

But I think some things should be universally accepted and if they’re not then there’s really not a lot of basis for discussion. Murder is bad, but the left is really pushing the idea that it isn’t these days. Killing a democratically elected president is bad yet here we are looking at people begging for it to happen and this is hardly unusual

If we can’t even agree that murder is bad it makes it very hard to have an intelligent conversation doesn’t it

The problem is the people leaving are the highly talented and valuable people economically speaking. The people that are staying are the low income low skill people who do not substantially increase our GDP per capita and in fact lower it

This is going to be more and more of a problem.

The fact is it would appear around here that unless you tow the line and save the stuff the left likes to hear people will attack you pretty mercilessly. I didn’t really come here to be liked. I came here thinking that there would be opportunity for intelligent conversation. And it’s Canadian was appealed to me.

But what I’m finding is a lot of hatred bigotry and if you don’t say the left thing and you’ll be attacked

The right is not contributing to those issues, the right is reacting to the bigotry and hatred etc. Kamala harris is entire campaign was that everyone Who didn’t agree with her was a Nazi and of course giggling. Hillary tried the same thing. Even here if I say something that doesn’t jive with the accepted truths instead of people addressing the points or making a counter argument what you see is nothing but personal attacks and people like you show up to say I should be towing the line.

That’s not a problem with the right. That’s a problem with you and the rest of the people here who are on the left. I’m not launching into personal attacks when I reply to people yet you look at the number of personal attacks I’ve gotten just for stating facts which are true but aren’t to their liking

Sure, then the next time a democrats in we can kill them! Then the next republican! Then the next democrat! And maybe put a bullet in Obama just because! Right? That’s how freedom and democracy works

Crap like this and calling everyone a Nazis why you lost the election. The left has become focused on bigotry and hatred and violence. The way you get rid of trump isn’t by shooting him it’s by becoming normal healthy mentally sound people again and proposing reasonable and intelligent alternatives. Begging for someone to kill the leader of the country who was duly elected is not a sensible or sane alternative

I’m really nice and if you want to be disappointed I’d suggest starting with the mirror. A personal attack rather than offering a counterpoint or any kind of dialogue it says more about what kind of person you are than I

I was being funny. Then for whatever reason people decided to turn it serious because we can’t joke in this country anymore and if anyone says anything that threatens the echo chamber accepted mentality we must attack. Right? I mean it would be crazy to have an intelligent discussion or just enjoy the humor of something

I suppose a personal attack is all you have if you can’t Refute the facts

We absolutely do. He’s admitted it and so has his trans Girlfriend whom he was roommates with at University. The moment someone tells people like you the truth they call it bigotry

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We wasted 11 years on ’ carbon taxes’ instead of learning to adapt or doing something that would have made a difference

That’s true. Those who can shoot and democrats 😂

I think they have to be careful. During these tough times it would not be difficult to lose the moral High ground and piss the public off.

But I think that they’re mentally revisiting 1999, where we had an outgoing NDP government and the union was able to negotiate a sweet deal because the NDP of the day was trying to win points to salvage their chances.

We will see but I don’t think this is the right time for anybody to be excessively unreasonable that’s for sure

In fact, it’s getting to the point where “I’m not optimistic” is actually a pretty optimistic position to take

Well it is possible that the supposed amount of profit is net rather than gross meaning that the costs of operation are taken from it. But you’re right that this is not clear

Fair point I guess…

It’s been widely known that democrats can’t shoot for years 😆

Missing from your calculation is the interest paid on the $30 billion or whatever it cost us. That money was borrowed and we pay interest on it every year. So when calculating the return on investment you have to add all of the interest costs to the cost of the project. Something that the liberals in the media tend to forget conveniently

Please! His own people have taken pot shots out of three times now, you’ll have to get in line 😆

I ran has been making this threat about trump since his first presidency. I’m more curious about where the hell you get a banner like that on short notice?