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  • It’s all based on navies here on Earth. They chose the language to make certain ships this-or-that class. There are no definitive rules so far as I’m aware. A certain class of submarines would be designated something class because they shared the same weapons or the same propulsion system. So when sci-fi writers picked up this ball they played fast and loose with already fast and loose rules.

    You may need to clarify what you mean by canon in this context exactly. If this Walker class appeared in a live action TV show I would say it’s canon. If it’s in a novel or an animated show I’d say it’s not or not necessarily. Trekkies can spend weeks debating this sort of thing.





  • Don’t forget the klick. Most of them are not buying that either.

    The people in all the countries that have no problem counting off another dozen past twelve don’t always do that though. If you meet your friend at 15:00 most people will revert to “at 3” in their language. And they might “go to bed at 11.” Economy of language and context clues. So colloquially the am/pm crowd and the 24h folks aren’t far apart at all.

    And any person claiming that it’s too difficult to add or subtract twelve from at maximum a low two-digit integer ought to have their passport revoked.















  • Grammar is only done by design in the realms of Tokkien, Martin, or Star Trek. For naturally occurring ones, the spoken language comes first, then the grammar in an effort to standardize it. So a design flaw in grammar is bit of an oxymoron for me.

    Cultural norms have an influence on grammar. About 400 years ago people in England still distinguished between a familiar you (thou) and a polite you (you). And over time decided to be polite only and only retained the thous and the thees in archaic expressions. And caused the need to disambiguate the plural from the singular you with new pronouns. Japanese grammar tends to get longer the more polite and humble you want to speak. So I don’t think your can divide culture from grammar neatly. Both of them make the hypothetical exchange I made up 5x as long.


  • You can’t construct grammar on an established language like English. If the speakers are used to having pronouns everywhere, like most if not all Germanic languages, then no. You cannot just leave them out.

    It’s my experience that this OCD level of politeness the Japanese apply to all interactions is a hindrance to getting a point across. Yes, you have to use your brain and infer who does what and to whom. But that means that there is still an awful lot of uncertainty. And uncertainty in the language leaves the door open to misinterpretation. So while a group of Japanese folks are playing politeness ping-pong for fifteen minutes, the parallel English universe dealing with the same topic are done after three. “You do that now!” Done. The Japanese would be clutching their pearls at that directness.

    In ye olden days, telegrams (not the contemporary chat app but the wire service they took the name from) would use streamlined language dropping any unnecessary pronoun as well. This was done a a cost saving measure when you were charged by the word. So you need a trigger, a restriction that kicks off a grammar change like that. But it didn’t last.