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  • I was criticising Germany and Israel. You’re talking about what people supporting Palestine supposedly want. So that’s already off-topic.

    Palestine is the same thing. It’s a state for a certain ethnicity - Palestinians.

    That would be correct, if I was advocating for a palestinian state, or a two-state-solution. I’m in fact in favour of the no-state solution for Palestine. If there has to be a state, then it clearly should be multi-national one (like Switzerland, or Lebanon).

    Wanting Palestine to be free does not automatically mean that you want there to be a different state to brutalize the people.

    Also, palestinians were already at least multi-religious. There are palestinian muslims, jews and christians. Israel binds it’s ethnic program to judaism.

    And they too call for Palestinians to return to it.

    Refugees have a right to have a historic wrong made right again. They mustn’t be kept from returning if they want.

    But when it’s Palestine people call it national liberation.

    You can (and should) also call for antinational liberation. Or even a global intifada (internationalist movemet). Both aren’t nationalist.

    I simply think it’s somewhat stupid to criticise Israel for something (ethnostate = bad) when Palestine is basically doing the same thing.

    What? Please tell me about the genocide Palestine is supposedly carrying out at the moment. You’re embarrassing yourself with that “both sides bad” platitude.

    You get me?

    Yeah. Cringe take, as I was afraid it would turn out to be.







  • If I’m understanding this sentence correctly, you are saying that modern state could exist without discriminating people regarding of their ethnicity.

    No, I said that they state that this is what they do. I said that this was their claim. I didn’t claim that this was correct.

    their [sic] is no scientific differences between nations, ethnicities or races.

    That’s true. But the concept doesn’t have to be scientifically valid to be a reason for discrimination or privilege. Jim Crow and the Nuremberg race laws simply referred to what was considered race science at the time.

    Nations are social construct,

    True, but that doesn’t negate anything

    usually based on genocide.

    that’s sure as shit not how states present themselves, though.

    Let’s take Germany as an example: There is a high percentage of german mitizens of Turkish decent who have been living in Germany for generations. Many of those people have German citizenship. Sure, there’s still racist discrimination going on, but these people are german, as far as the state is concerned. It’s actually illegal in Germany to discriminate people based on ethnicity, so technically, only the passport should be taken into consideration.

    The meme is mainly based on how Germany presents itself.


  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOPtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldOne ethnostate as a treat
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    States can have different aims of the structuie their peoples should have. Liberal capitalist states currently state that they ignore ethnicity in the makeup of their peoples, as long as they can help the nation in the international competition.

    Nazi-Germany had a strong focus on having some sort of ethnic monoculture in the makeup of the German people.

    Israel strait up states that it doesn’t value arabic lives and favours ashkenazi jews. They claim to be “the one jewish state” and actively draw jewish people to settle there.






  • Dazu passend die genannten [Die 15 witzigsten „Heimatstrom“-Memes – und wie sie Rechte entlarven](https://www.volksverpetzer.de/aktuelles/witzigsten-heimatstrom-memes/) beim Volksverpetzer.

    Wo sind hier “Bausteine für ein Argument”? Und ich sehe keine konkret genannten Probleme, die gelöst werden sollen. Vielleicht sind sie für dich ja offensichtlich. Aber konkret genannt wurden sie bisher nicht.

    Das Einzige, was ich als Problem in der “Diskussion” ausmachen könnte wäre “es gibt Menschen mit rechter Gesinnung, die nicht woke sind”. Na ganz toll. Da hilft woke Nazipropaganda sicher dagegen. /s

    Mach es dir selbst.

    Das ist jetzt wirklich “google doch einfach selbst!” Schwurblerniveau.

    Wenn es so einfach ist, dann kannst du ja sicher ein Argument draus machen, damit eine Diskussion entstehen kann. Oder willst du dich einfach nicht angreifbar machen für woke Nationalistenpropaganda?









  • Ich hatte diese Memes schon gesehen aber hielt sie für sarkastisch, also das sie sie sich darüber lustig machen das Rechte eben nicht für das wohl ihres Volkes und zugunsten der nationalen Unabhängigkeit handeln.

    Du kaufst dieses nationalistische Weltbild damit halt aber auch ern. Selbst, wenn du es sarkastisch machst. Das merkt der Typ sogar selber, findet es aber ok, weil es ja für “die Guten” gemacht wird. Und zum Slop-Apologeten macht er sich damit auch noch. (“dAs gEhT nIcHt wIEdEr wEg!11elf”)

    Und dann behauptet er auch noch, das sei doch ein guter Winstig, “politisch aktiv” zu werden. Kontraproduktiver wird es echt nicht mehr.