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Have you ever considered that the Prime Directive is not only not ethical, but also illogical, and perhaps morally indefensible?
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
41·10 hours agoSo you’re just advocating for a different system of policing, which does not at all contradict what I originally said. Cool.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Preview Episode 6 Of ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ With 10 New Images From “Come, Let’s Away”English
3·11 hours agoDuring the cadets’ first training mission on an abandoned ship, they encounter a dangerous new enemy. As our cadets fight for survival, Nahla must risk everything to save them by seeking help from an unexpected, untrustworthy, source.
I was just thinking that it’s about time we returned to the Nus Braka plot, so we’ll see if he’s the “unexpected, untrustworthy, source.”
It looks like we might get to see more of the War College kids, which I think is a good thing.
Any thoughts about the abandoned ship that they’re visiting?

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Risa@startrek.website•How I imagine those crying "i tHouGHT StAr Trek WAs suPPosEd tO bE a UtOPia"English
71·11 hours agoThe best nostalgia is nostalgia for something that never existed in the first place.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
5·11 hours agoor put him next to Tom Paris or Kassidy Yates in a Penal Colony with an ankle monitor.
Unfortunately, Earth was still independent at that time, so New Zealand is out of the question.
Bring us…Space New Zealand!
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
8·12 hours agoYeah, someone summed it up very well elsewhere in the thread: “utopia” describes an ideal to strive toward, but is inherently unachievable, if only because you will never find two people who have the same utopic vision.
Unless “utopia” includes some sort of system for forcing everyone to think alike… 🤔
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
8·12 hours agoIf you can offer a compelling argument about how those other 98% were more fair and just, and can outline exactly what that better system was, I’m all ears.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
4·13 hours agoIt’s an interesting idea, but it also tiptoes right up to the line of “neighbours spying on each other on behalf of the state” - not great!
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
5·13 hours agoThere’s a difference between a trial and a sentencing.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
12·13 hours agoI certainly am not a fan of policework as it is currently, commonly conducted, but I have a hard time imagining a society that has laws, but doesn’t have a dedicated system to uphold those laws that involves some kind of police.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?English
32·13 hours agoI think it’s extremely disingenuous to equate “bad things happening sometimes” with “dystopia.”
The point of everything you mentioned (except for the police in '09, which you don’t actually seem to have an issue with aside from the fact that they exist?) is that these things can be overcome, which is precisely the opposite of a dystopian setting.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•What's your preferred version to watch Deep Space Nine? Is AI upscale worth it?English
6·1 day agoYeah, personally I prefer the best available version of the original footage.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Interview: Tawny Newsome On “Gargantuan Task” To Give DS9 “Resolution” On ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’English
7·2 days agoGreat. Read the interview, and if there’s any aspect of it you feel you need to add thoughts to, go ahead and do it. And if you don’t have anything to add, (a) that doesn’t mean it’s not worth sharing, and (b) you can just bypass the thread entirely.
It’s not on OPs to tell people what aspects of an article to talk about, and in many cases, I would argue that it’s not appropriate to try.
I don’t appreciate it anymore than a friend shoving a magazine in my face
You can’t possibly think that someone posting something online is analogous to approaching you and shoving something in your face. Please tell me you can tell the difference.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Interview: Tawny Newsome On “Gargantuan Task” To Give DS9 “Resolution” On ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’English
6·2 days agoThe “context” is in the headline. That tells you all that you should need to know to determine whether you want to read the article.
The fact that you seem to want someone to do that work for you and tell you what to think (divorcing whatever gets highlighted from its full context in the interview in the process) is frankly disappointing.
Getting mad at link aggregation software for aggregating links is a real choice.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x05 "Series Acclimation Mil"English
3·3 days agoI’ve never been convinced that the ear-grabbing actually did anything. Bareil certainly had no patience for it.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x05 "Series Acclimation Mil"English
10·2 days agoIt’s funny - I knew he would be wearing it at some point, sort of had my eye out for it…and didn’t notice it at all when I actually watched the episode.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x05 "Series Acclimation Mil"English
6·4 days agoI wonder if there was more to it that got cut for time. I think it’s…fine as it is, if only because Holly Hunter’s physicality in the role is a sight to behold. But it doesn’t have much to offer besides the further development of the relationship between Ake and Kelrec.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Interview: Tawny Newsome On “Gargantuan Task” To Give DS9 “Resolution” On ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’English
102·4 days agoIt’s not a video, but thanks for playing.
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•Interview: Tawny Newsome On “Gargantuan Task” To Give DS9 “Resolution” On ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’English
102·4 days agoWho are you asking? Do you have an opinion of your own? Is there any chance at all you have something to say about the interview you’re ostensibly discussing?
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Star Trek Social Club@startrek.website•I Am Watching ‘Deep Space 9’ & Something has Slowly Developed into A Complaint & Un-Able to Understand- The Challenges of 2-Genetically Engineered Friends of Dr. Bashir.English
8·4 days agoDS9 was not a UPN show - it was syndicated.
The residents of the Institute are a bit of a minefield, not least because the show didn’t do much to sketch out exactly what challenges they were living with. We’re unfortunately left to assume that they would be at risk of harming themselves or others were they living on their own.
I do think Lauren was portrayed as having delusions more than any kind of “sex addiction,” and you could make the case that Patrick may not be able to safely care for himself.
But a lot has happened in the deinstitutionalization movement since those episodes were produced, so it’s pretty tough to justify way they were treated. It is, however, a decent mirror to the way society was at that time.















The title is “Come, Let’s Away”, presumably from King Lear Act V, Scene III.