Trump is now caught in the oldest trap of modern warfare – believing a swift, surgical military operation will yield quick, enduring political results. The Soviets did it in Afghanistan; the US in Iraq in 2003; Putin did it in Ukraine, and is still fighting. Whatever force a military fails or succeeds in applying at the start, the people it is attacking have greater commitment to defending their lands and homes.

The White House may have rushed into this, seizing the opportunity for a decapitation strike, provided by Israeli intelligence. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has very different objectives regionally, and a long US involvement against Tehran suits his desire for an Iran in rolling collapse that is no longer a threat. But the death of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on February 28 has caused as many problems as it has solved.

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    Calling it now, when striking military targets fails to get surrender, we will switch to war crimes, Israel and then the US will start hitting water, food, and transportation infrastructure.

    The only way to get victory from this war is genocide.

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    Of course he cannot stop it now. The world and it’s history is way bigger than the current blip that is trump.

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    Iran gets a vote.

    And that’s it. This war is going to at least last through November because Iran now wants to hurt Donald politically.

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    EVERY war ever fought was going to be over in a month with an overwhelming victory, and yet, it NEVER happens.

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      Except in the first US gulf war, back in the early 90s. (Kuwait was attacked by Iraq. The USA spent months preparing and then three days attacking. Then stopped when Iraq surrendered.)

      Or the fall of the USSR. (Happened in about a month, no major fighting.)

      Or the Russian annexation of Crimea.

      It isn’t that short military exercises never yield results. It’s that wars persist until both attacker and defender believe peace is the best tactic.

      The USA bombing a country for whom fighting the USA is essentially their national myth is possibly the dumbest thing that my country has ever done.

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      He can choose to no longer shoot at Iran, but he can not make Iran stop shooting at the US. It takes only one site to keep a war going.

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        Good thing Iran has never struck at the US then. Although “good” might not be appropriate at this point.

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        The Middle East has been in constant threats and instability for the past century.

        Donny boy has been living peacefully golfing and surrounded by yes men.

        He’s kicked a lot of bee hives.

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      I know the first thing I would do is stop shooting at the nation that bombed and killed my family and 100+ kids because they stopped first.

      We have radicalized an entire nation against the US for no reason anyone can actually explain. The only thing we taught every nation is that we can bomb you and take your leaders captive if you do not have nukes.

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    That fat cunt is unable to keep it’s trousers clean from it’s own shit.

    So how the fuck anyone thinks that that waffling pile of dementia riddled syphilis can unfuck the murdering of schoolgirls in this Epstein war is laughable at best.

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    I mean, he could stop the war tomorrow by handing himself over to the Iranian authorities.

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    Trump, as an individual may not have a way out. Remember, Epstein was Mossad-trained and probably shared a lot of useful dirt with Israel.

    But there is always a path to peace; and in this case it starts with the US backing off. Iran doesn’t have much capacity for war beyond protecting itself.

    Exactly the same as how there’s a way for Russia to have peace in Ukraine.

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      The implication I haven’t seen explicitly mentioned in the article (which it should be! Bad article) is “there is no way for Trump to stop the war without losing face and thus his power”.

      The reason they keep going is because otherwise they have to admit they were wrong. And probably not only wrong, but knowingly wrong, which equals malicious. And admitting that you’re malicious is bad, even with your most loyal supporters. The only way to not have that happen is to just keep going and act as if everything is fine, which is what’s happening.

      The actual “path to peace” is very very simple, you just have to retreat your troops. It’s supremely unlikely Iran will attack halfway around the globe with their infrastructure.

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        I don’t know if just stopping the attack is going to work this time. Iran was significantly attacked and will want some form of retribution in order to remind the USA to never do this again.

        The USA and Israel will need to pay costs for peace.

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        They’ve backed on tons of things before without admitting any wrongdoing, I don’t see how this is different

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          The implication I haven’t seen explicitly mentioned in the article (which it should be! Bad article) is “there is no way for Trump to stop the war without losing face and thus his power

          basically what I was trying to get at. But I’m not sure that it’s a matter of losing face, and rather that Netanyahu is holding some damning evidence (of the epstein files variety) over him.

          as mentioned on other posts, the easiest way to deal with blackmail material is to just release it all.

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    I’m willing to bet this is Trumps and by extension America’s 3 day special operation. And I mean that down to the expectation this would all be over in 3-4 days after the extensive bombing and killing of the upper leadership in the first day.

    Instead Iran was all “nah we’re good, we’ve been preparing for this day for 15-20 years”. And started fucking up the whole region.

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    Israel said that it worked for them, and all they want is sufficient disruption to continue their own invasions. Trump is the fool for so so many reasons.

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    Generally what happens when you start a forever war.

    It’s the only thing Republicans do other than taxcuts for the rich and fucking up the economy.

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    I don’t see why he’d want it to stop. He’s been actively destroying the US for the overwhelming majority of his presidency. If he benefits the US at large, it’s major news to me. A stone rolling downhill shouldn’t be news.