Is a “third space” really an issue for people? Affordability really solves everything.
Children are not economically viable.
You may be half joking, but I’ve discussed this many times with my partner. Society, by today’s definition, do not reward at all having kids. However, for a society to keep going you **need ** children, so wtf is supposed to happen? No children, society just grows old at at some point you have a massive decline in the younger brackets? And then is just old folks yelling at clouds? Also, another detail, the mono parental lifestyle we have nowadays is actually quite recent. And I do think is very much impossible to have the expected amount of children on such system
there’s a lot of negative feedback loops in nature (it sounds negative but is actually a positive thing). it means that when you have a tendency going one way, then that creates a counter-pressure which makes the tendency go the other way.
so if people have less children today, that somehow will make it more attractive for future generations to have more children. in the end, it will oscillate (go up and down) until it stabilizes around a stable value. so no worries, it’s gonna be fine.
Every society values status and wealth. This time we’ve taken that to the extreme, to the exclusion of everything else. It’s going to be one of the failed experiments in history.
Ancient Greece even had those episodes where the rich managed to get farmers deep in debt. A bunch of them just left. Another bunch became serfs. The end result was productivity tanking and food security becoming problematic. Cue debt relief, changing laws, … The rich will always fuck it up for everybody and themselves given enough time, sometimes they learn, and they do it all again a century later.
It’s okay. Elon said AI and his robots will mean we’ll all be rich on UBI soon, so he wants everyone to have more kids.
I used to think he was delusional, his wealth making him believe he actually knows better, but he’s actually a glorified con man.
He’s done it so many times in the past, where he will admit he promoted fsd and car hyper loops. not because he believes in those ideas, but because he just wanted to saturate the headlines, and sweep aside promoting public transit in the zeitgeist.
I wish people would stop using his platforms, so they weren’t forced to waste comprehension on the guy’s thoughts…
But without children, who will fight your forever wars and be trafficked by the Oligarchs who want to create 24/7 mass surveillance with live facial recognition tracking?
I would be so fucking rich without a family! I can live on ramen and gaming (I am 41, and this never changed), sobI would have like 80% of disposable income up for saving
You don’t need money. Shh. Have babies.
The rich have bought out trailer parks. And the factories where they make trailers. So even going that route is being exploited.
Oh you can’t find a partner even willing to get married and reproduce right now?
They just keep repeating the same nonsense on loop like:
“Are you literally insane?”
“Have you even noticed the present reality we’re living in?”
“I could be charged with a crime just for having complications during pregnancy.”
“They hooked a braindead woman in Georgia up to life support last year like a human incubator. She attempted to go to the ER because of a painful headache. Instead of helping her they gave her 2 aspirin and sent her home where she suffered from a ruptured brain aneurysm.”
“They literally just sent her away when she sought their help, but only after declaring her braindead decided to actually admit her to the hospital.”
“They made her family wait to remove her from life support until she had given birth to a premature baby. The baby was born with multiple birth defects he will struggle with for the rest of his life.”
“Of course they aren’t even giving him healthcare or helping to pay his medical bills. They kept his mother alive like some kind of science experiment from the Handmaid’s Tale, and demanded he be born simply to refuse to help him survive.”
“Because it turns out the world is literally run by completely sadistic pedophiles. They don’t even need an Epstein anymore because now they’re legally allowed to kidnap and traffick children!”
“They’re splitting families apart and holding them indefinitely in concentration camps. There’s been multiple documented cases of murder, abuse, and sexual assault carried out by guards, and we’re just letting it happen. Now they’re buying up warehouses across the country to convert into more camps!”
“How can you even think about something like that?! They’re dragging us into an endless WWIII just to distract from the pedophiles and help corporations increase their profits! What the fuck do you think they’re planning to do with all these kids they’re trying to force us to give birth to?”
Psssh, sounds like typical unhinged feminism. Destroying the American dream.
Thank God I’ve never run into whomever you have. I just hear:
“It’ll happen when it’s time.”
“You’ve got your entire life ahead of you still.”
“Don’t rush into it; enjoy your single years.”
Ugh… Time is running out each day, I’m half way to my old years, and i HAVE enjoyed being single. Now I’m ready to move forward.
Down payment on a house or pay the hospital for one child birth. Choose.
How about neither?
this is the way. renting a city apartment + investing in stocks for the same amount of monthly total expenses is more profitable
Not living in the US solves the hospital problem
Unfortunately that’s not an option for most people living in the US
Marry? Sure! Reproduce? Nah, we’ll stick to hiking, video games, and anarchist gardening, thanks.
How do you grow an anarchist?
Very hard to cultivate, they only want to grow wild.
Heyoooo
I think they meant Antichrist.
But we already have Peter Thiel, we don’t need him at home as well.
Yeah, but like… Then I would have kids, and even apart from the whole “giving birth” thing, or how expensive they are, having kids sounds absolutely awful.
The ruling class want church to be our third space but every church my family dragged me to as a teen everyone was either 30+ years older than me or single digit ages.
Places like community halls, union halls etc used to fill this need.
Yup but they aren’t profitable so we can’t have them
Is there a time besides maybe the 2010s where people had more disposable income ? What 3rd spaces did we have decades ago that we do not now ?
We have surrendered the future to religious extremists which is pretty depressing
No wage, bus spend.
Fine! I’ll marry and try to reprpduce.
