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TNG 2:18: “Up the Long Ladder”

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    As progressive as star trek was for its time, it still has its moments that make reasonable people shift uncomfortably in their seat.

    Obligatory Fuck Rick Fucking Berman

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    Ah, the episode where no one recalls the A plot, because the B plot is… well:

    It’s something to do with…

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      The wildest part of the A plot is when they discover the clones, Riker takes one look, says “uh nope” and summarily vaporizes the lot of them.

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        Yeah, seems a bit extreme. Even with the Federation’s policy toward that sort of thing, he’s kinda just murdering.

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      I think it was the Irish planet died and the stuffy clone planet was running out of genetic diversity. So then Picard told the Irish and clones to live on the same planet and fuck. The clones were like ew, and the Irish women were like sure.

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    What were they thinking? “Nineteenth-century Irish stereotypes in space” was offensive when this first aired, and it hasn’t aged well.

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      True, but this episode did give us one of the absolute hardest Riker lines ever:

      “And what are you staring at? You never seen a woman before?”

      “I thought I had.”

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      From Memory Alpha, apparently the producers liked the idea enough they went with the rough draft which was, well, rough:

      Melinda Snodgrass remarked, “It was intended to be a commentary about immigration, because I hate the current American policy. I wanted it to be something that says sometimes those outsiders you think are so smelly and wrong-colored, can bring enormous benefits to your society because they bring life and energy. That’s what I was going for. Now my boss, at the time, was Maury Hurley, who is a major Irishman and leads the Saint Patrick’s Day parade. When I was describing to him what I wanted to do, I was trying to come up with an analogy, and I said it was like a little village of Irish tinkerers, and he loved it so much he made me make them Irish tinkerers. I said okay, and that’s how it came about.