I’ve never understood why bathrooms or sports are segregated by gender. Makes absolutely no sense to me and I’ll go to my dying day believing it’s nonsense.
Honestly? Dividing sports into heats like the marathon (or even weight classes) would be more fair for everyone. That way, performance would dictate competitive play rather than gender.
It makes more sense. If people are upset about “women in men’s sports” or whatever, then you can point to her ability scores and quantifiably say, “Yeah, no, we measured it, she’s literally just as good as you. Suck it up.”
Go lookup why japan (and a few other) have women only train cars.
I’ve never understood why bathrooms or sports are segregated by gender.
Sports aren’t entirely divided by gender. There are female competitions, which are only for women, and ‘male competitions’, which are open to everybody. Though women rarely enter the latter, because, aside from chess, they get obliterated due to unfair physiology.
In highschool, i played on a JV soccer team that 4 women on it. (We also had a women’s Varsity and JV teams, that did really well. We could hold our own against the men’s varsity team and could smoke the women’s varsity team.
TBF, we also had a Brazilian middle- schooler on the team, who was ineligible for varsity due to being 13 at the time, who went on to a pro career, and is currently on an international team!
The first time a woman won the archery competition in the Olympics it was the last time it wasn’t segregated. Right after that, the federation “created” the women competition.
Bathrooms are segregated because arsehole men won’t behave
Bathrooms are segregated because misers can’t be bothered to build individual bathrooms.
Bathrooms are segregated by gender because victorians thought women deserved better than unsanitary holes in the ground, so they made actual bathrooms for them when women started to work in factories.
By the time enough men realized they wanted indoor plumbing at work too, the tradition had been established that women had separate facilities and so the separation stuck.
(And now it’s just the slow process of redoing every public bathroom on the planet to be gender neutral. Which is harder than it should be since transphobes love telling horror stories about trans women so they can police all women.)
For the former. I don’t give a single fuck what’s between your legs while you’re using the stall.
Just wash your goddamn hands when you’re done mucking about with it!
For team sports, segregation would happen regardless. The vast majority of women just can’t keep up with men, and the team would need to choose men over women to be competitive, leaving women to play with themselves.
For individual sports like running, etc. women would almost never appear on the podium, unless you introduce classes, in which case, you might as well just segregate them.
Bathrooms and locker rooms do not need to be segregated by law, but I suspect most women would choose segregated given the choice.
Gender segregated sports aren’t segregated so women get to play. Sure, a lot of girls benefit from this segregation, but it’s not the reason.
High-skill men, unskilled men, high-skill women, mid-skill women, and unskilled women have historically been kinda fine in letting men and women compete in an equal footing. For man-centric things this means most winners and competitors will be men, but the inverse happens for woman-centric things and nobody really complains.
But mid-skill men doing a man-centric thing absolutely lose it when they lose to high-skill women. Which doesn’t happen a lot, but they lose it loudly enough when it does happen that for anything as trivial as sport it’s easier to just segregate so we can protect the fragile egos of mid-skill men who just can’t handle losing to a woman.
Lol some men can be so… What’s the word I’m looking for? Fragile hits the spot
I’m not aware of any top-tier professional team sports league that says “women can’t play on the men’s team.”
Some individual sports are totally segregated, but there are no rules that say Premiere League* teams or NHL teams can’t have a woman. The fact that no “mens” teams do play women says quite a bit about the level of physical separation at that top level. Even if it happens one day, and I think it will, it will be single digits per year, max, for a long, long time.
If women want to have a chance to play those sports at the top level, they need their own league.
* Maybe a bad example, I’m not actually familiar with those rules, but sub in any of dozens of other pro leagues around the world that aren’t segregated by rule, but are by pragmatism.
I like the “split open bathroom” design. The sinks are connected to both in the middle (and the entrance/exit is connected to the sinks only), and I’m one direction there’s urinals and a few toilets and the other just toilets - but there’s no signs.
Also, seems men wash their hands more often (with soap even) when women are also present I’ve noticed.
As a man, I don’t really care if a woman comes into the same bathroom as me or faces me on the football field. Whatever “threat” they might pose to me, men already do that times five.
What I worry about is the reality it leads to. I’m afraid that in sports it ends up with only men’s teams, and the only women who qualify are genetic outliers that the vast majority of women in the world can’t relate to at all. It’s like me looking up to Shaq O’Neal and thinking someday I’m going to be like him - not going to happen.
Men have nothing to lose here, whereas women have everything to lose.
It’s like me looking up to Shaq O’Neal and thinking someday I’m going to be like him - not going to happen
Exactly and he’s the same gender as you so what’s tje big deal?
If I’m a woman and the only women I see doing professional sports are equivalent to Shaq then why would I even bother trying unless I’m a genetical freak as well.
They’re all genetic freaks, im in the same boat as a man who watches these one in a million type freaks play sports
I agree here. We have various competitive levels to sports. I can go to a triple A ball game.
Every sport is going to be different. I don’t think any of us know enough to say that all sports should or should not be segregated. The decision should be made by the governing bodies of each individual sport.
For powerlifting though, I do think we can get rid of gender segregation, and also weight classes. Just use the GL score and add a factor to the expression for some testosterone level proxy measurement.
I’m fine with the bathroom being combined as long as we still can have one if those guys that’s hands out towels.
I’m not trying to hate on the guy that hands out towels, but I have a specific aversion to any person hanging out in a bathroom at all. Unless there’s an underlying reason I am not aware of, leave me out of this weird interaction entirely. I know many people who think it’s weird.
I agree. People are not molesting & raping each other in bathrooms and locker rooms. If they get frisky it’s because they want to but that’s incredibly rare in restrooms & locker rooms. Those are unsexy environments designed uncomfortably for their rigid function purposes. And even as things are now with gender segregation, sometimes people are homosexual so by our traditional segregation logic, shouldn’t they be segregated if we’re segregating based on sexual preference & gender identification? Nope because you’re right, gender segregation is unnecessary. We need to abolish gender segregation.
Edit: wait, I just read your post more closely, I still think sports SHOULD be segregated by gender because biologically males and females perform differently and at different levels in their given sports.
On my first read somehow I thought you were talking about sports locker rooms 🤷🏼♀️
I was in Seatle recently and was surprised at the number of public bathrooms they were gender neutral. It was just a bunch of stalls with almost floor to ceiling walls.
That needs to become the norm, the only difference between restrooms is that men’s rooms have urinals, and I think those should have enclosed stalls just like toilets do. Then all genders can simply go to the restroom & not have to give a single thought which room to enter.
Two separate issues.
For sports, testosterone plays an enormous effect. I fully support segregation where there’s a way for the less-testosterone endowed to have competition. In all honesty it leads to better games. Women’s basketball for example is a lot more entertaining once you get past the “3pt+drive for the dunk” game
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