Now guess what happens when LLMs assess two identical candidates who differ only in name: one a “safe” white guy name and one a stereotypically ethnic name? Or a man’s name vs. a woman’s name? Or a wealth-paired name vs. an underclass name? Or …
… So its just doing what HR/Recruiters do.
Professionally gaslighting people and wasting their time.
Its just that the process is ironically slightly more transparent now.
They’ve been doing this with ‘shadow jobs’ and ‘fake job postings’ for literally years now, last time I saw a survey on it, between a 1/3 and 1/2 of them just said they do this.
You post job openings that you never intend on filling for a wide variety of reasons.
Make the company look better in some kind of internal or external report that considers job postings.
Make it so you can promote somebody internally with a sham external round of interviews but its still ‘competetive’.
Literally just do market research on the labor force itself, gather up a roster, or sell the info to data brokers.
And of course, interview processes that require you essentially do a project for them… before they hire you. And then you do it an aw shucks, almost nailed it, but we went with another candidate.
But there is no other candidate. And your project is now being used by them.
…etc.
My last job did the internal promotion but needed to be “competitive” thing. Long story short i was an operator and ended up working extensively with a staff engineer. A opportunity to become a technician opened up and I applied. I was told I could have the job with pay raise but would need to give up my permanent position for a contractor position(no pto, no paid holidays, no insurance, no 401k etc). I turned it down, this staff engineer heard and agreed it was bs, he made a deal with my supervisor at the time to “borrow” me for 6 months for a project he was doing. I did the project and the paperwork and a bunch of stuff. He then took all the work I did to senior management and argued that I deserved the technician job based on the work I did. He got them to agree to create a full time technician role for me under him. The job was literally created for me, he asked for my resume before creating the job requirements and wrote the requirements so my resume would be a perfect fit.
He was still required to do 4 other interviews with people outside the company. They had 0 chance to get the job. It was a waste of hr, his time, my time, the interviewee time. Literally no benefit to anyone.
I worked for him for about 7 years, one of the best bosses I ever met. He was not liked by some people because he had no problem telling you that you are an idiot if you were being an idiot. That said he got projects done, normally with in time and financial budget and without much technical debt going forward. Yeah things sometimes went wrong but there was also some wiggle room for that stuff within reason. For example writing a report for a study was about 1/2 a day but was on the time line as 3 days. Let’s say someone calls out one day during the test or a part is delivered late which is critical for what we were doing. Adjust the time line so now there’s 2 days to write the report, still easily enough time and everyone is happy as it was delivered on time.
Yep.
I’ve see similar situations play out in places where I’ve worked.
In a non insane world, something like you just moving to that other role for 6 months and then officially getting that role… would just be all you’d need to do.
But nope.
Somehow, the idea of ‘everyone deserves a fair shot’ results in ‘you never even had a chance, the game was rigged from the start’ + ‘treating employees as investments is somehow the exception to the rule, even in positions requiring very specific knowledge and experience’.
Actually in a non-insane world I would of been given the initial role and not asked to give up all benefits for a medium increase in pay. Company stance was previous technician was a contractor, so replacement should be a contractor. So I was expected to just give up all my benefits and hope they get restored some time in the future.
Speaking of employees as investments, every employee had to have “goals” each year. He added the requirement that one of the goals had to some form of training. No not the regular training you were required but something extra. For example training class from a manufacturer of a system we used or a industry training like a lean manufacturing certification or cqt/cqe certification. Since it was an official “goal” he could get budget for it(with in reason). No other manager in the company to my knowledge did anything similar.
Sorry, I guess I’m not old enough to have any real concept of a sane workplace, I’ve literally only just heard about how it used to be from various old timers, or attempted to study it, read about it in books and such.
You’re right, that would make even more sense.
Believe me that place was not sane… Maybe not as crazy as other places but certainly not sane.
Applying for jobs has never been “fair”. AI just adds more bullshit to the whole process.
Though the leaves of absence were medically necessary — which Markey explained in a letter in his applications — they were technically categorized as “voluntary.” That’s a minor detail which, if misinterpreted by a sloppy AI system, could have devastating consequences for his applications.
So before AI that happened all the time as part of the existing process when humans did the work. AI was trained on those practices, so of course it is going to involve all of the same prejudices and faults of the existing system plus any additional random bullshit from being AI.
Thats all we got, slop, gippity and a limp dick economy. The turd herd loves ol gipity… I could see many eventually going postal which I find reasonable but I just wish we all got together to go ape. ol gipity… really the economy is shrinking though. Gipity didn’t replace you we are dieing as a nation.
Tell me, are you smelling burned toast?
Gipity =GPT
I have a friend who was offered a job at a company he already worked for, in a role that is exactly what he has trained in and has done professional work in, and he didn’t get the job because they said his experience didn’t fit the application. He has already literally been doing the same work the job was for at the same place under a different but similar title.
Oh it’s way more fucked up than that. It’s created this nether-stage of unemployment where companies get shit hires and people get nothing - because the C-geniuses took humans out of HR as their first step to turning the workforce into free AI bots.
Attempting to apply to a job is quite literally not worth my time.
I ‘lucked out’ and managed to get ‘UBI’ by way of SSDI.
It ain’t much, but I’d rather live modestly than deal with this absolutely delusional insane horseshit that is the current job market.
You would probably have to wave around $50 bucks an hour at me, to pay me, to put up with the insane bullshit that is the modern job application process.
Much less actually attempting to deal with the ‘mentally inept at everything other than gaslighting and fraud’ modern management style at an actual job.
Fuck this entire economy, the sooner it crashes and burns, and everyone realizes it is us or them, and there are way more of us, the better.
(for clarity: us -> c-suite and anyone they know on a first name basis, them -> everyone else)
Looks like Roko’s basilisk got that job in HR.
