LOL, “believe”.
I get these polls are about trying to measure public understanding of all things reality-based, but reading that is like hearing some creationist going on about how they don’t "believe in evolution.
I guess if put $1.50 gas on my pedonald vision board, it will be so the next time I go to a gas station…
did we not have facts and stats? believe?
I saw a tattered, shredded Trump-Vance flag hanging from a telephone pole in a boony town yesterday, and it felt like such an appropriate metaphor to today’s US.
And it was better onder Trump 1
And better onder Obama
And better under Bush
Wait is there a continuous downward trend???
It was lower under Biden. For once the average schmuck is right.
Impossible, I refuse to believe that the majority of Americans are capable of recognizing reality.
“Americans overwhelmingly believe their eyes”
Because it was lower under Biden. We have numbers.
I’m so tired of living in a timeline where we pretend facts don’t exist to avoid upsetting the MAGAs.
I am sick of arguing evident reality, I got my fill in 2020 I don’t even do it anymore, not with the maga douchebags.
Yeah, the right’s reaction to 2020 was absolutely wild. In the face of a pandemic that could have united the country in their response to it, we had dumbdumb in charge and whipping up absolutely insane bullshit instead.
And that’s after seeing the right’s response to having a black President and seeing the W years - Iraq, Katrina, topped by a financial collapse.
Oh, and then their Covid response was followed by the unhinged J6/“stop the steal” terrorism.
Democratic reaction was equally ridiculous. COVID demonstrated the abysmal state of healthcare in this country and they still went with a candidate who would never support socialized healthcare for Americans.
People avoid a lot to not upset MAGA
Most especially in the corporate media, oops, I mean, the “liberal media”.
Not even just in US, but internationally thanks to the blockade
"I did this "points up
- trump
What do you mean “believe”? It’s not an opinion
It is at this moment I would like to remind everyone that 100 is the average IQ, which necessarily means that half of the people that walk among us are rocking double digit IQs.
It’s not necessarily half. There could be a group that is a fair bit less than half, but are so dumb they throw the averages off.
IQ Georg is an outlier and should not be considered
It’s a normal distribution so it’s pretty damn close to half
Sure, but there are going to be brain injuries and other disabilities that have a limiting effect on IQ, which would lower the mean relative to the median at least a little. And it’s hard to imagine there’s an equivalent upward trend of genius outliers.
No, 100 is the median IQ, but that doesn’t preclude there being a lot of people with exactly 100 IQ. Thus there would be less than half of the population below 100 (and also less than half above 100).
Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize half the population is even fucking dumber.
That quote from Carlin is one that often comes to mind, LOL.
It’s alarming to learn how accurate that actually is. People often talk about how comedians are basically today’s philosophers and I can understand why.
The measurements on numeracy and literacy in the United States explains quite a bit about one’s everyday experience. I mean, I went to university and graduated. I got mostly A’s in K-12. I was not valedictorian. I did not have a 4.0 in university. I don’t have a PhD. I consider myself someone with about average intelligence, but I applied myself. I read rather widely. I try to apply logic to situations and assess new material as it comes in.
I don’t think this is some high bar for an adult. Honestly, I consider the above the bare minimum. Often it felt like I was coasting in high school and parts of university.
But everyday experiences and seeing how other adults behave and what they believe and accept as “fact” seems to constitute a baffling array of the ridiculous and the silly. When you remember things like this, it makes a bit more sense:
Gtfo 100? Huh, I would have thought it would be higher, the intelligence quotient test does no such thing as measure intelligence however. They’re logic tests, and if you practice logic tests you get better at them, intelligence is the ability to learn, smarts is your compiled knowledge. If anything this IQ test measures your smarts.
That said people are dumb as shit for many reasons.
Despite the other person suggesting it is ‘higher now’, nope.
It is by definition 100. (Mean not median as incorrectly suggested by me earlier. Those correction are valid and welcome.)
But yes. 100.
A lot of responses to my post have a lot of armchair this and that so I haven’t interacted with them.
See for yourself. (Page 3-4)
Scores are adjusted such that the median is ALWAYS 100. That’s how we do IQ. Every response to my previous post ignoring this and arguing otherwise should just be outright ignored.
Ugh sorry. It’s them not you lol.
It is by definition that the average IQ is 100. I responded to you and not them because you weren’t pretentious about getting new information. 🍻
Yeah, it’s normalized so the median is 100.
Sure, but the poll itself is already dumb. Why poll opinions on a fact? It implies there’s any actual value or some truth to this.
Something can be a fact and a belief at the same time. E.G. some people believe the moon landing was faked or that the Earth is flat. It’s a fact that the cost of living was lower under Biden yet some people believe that it’s lower under Trump. Those people are just as crazy as the flat Earthers, and yet they still exist. The real concerning thing is how many of them there are though. The fact that it’s not something like 1% or fewer that believes Trump is better is really concerning but sadly not surprising. Your average Trump supporter is really dumb and ignorant.
Yes, but why even poll for that?
Because politics is driven by perception, not reality. That’s why propaganda works.
Because if 40% of people believed the Earth was flat you’d probably want to know that. It shows what a disturbingly large chunk of the US is just straight delusional and to a certain extent how we got into this situation in the first place. Decades after decades of propaganda and the constant stream of bullshit from places like Fox News and then Facebook has reduced a significant chunk of the US population into idiots that are literally incapable of just observing reality and coming to a reasonable conclusion.
Because very often people vote based on how they feel and that does not always align with the facts
Because for some people it can be cheaper, especially if they moved. So, the poll sheds light on for how many people are their lives more or less expensive even if on average we know most prices went up for most products.
It does, but that doesn’t seem to have been the intend of the poll
what does IQ have to do with the price of groceries?
They don’t understand what numbers mean and base their beliefs on how things make them feel.
Actually the average is like 103 nowadays im assuming from better nutrition than when IQ tests were invented about 100 years ago
Nope, just slow renormalization.
This is a post truth society
Americans are obsessed with polling for opinions on measurable metrics for some reason
Because they infer a lot about how people will vote. It is an election after all.
In short, we can demonstrate that something is a fact, but if greater than 50% of the population doesn’t believe it then not much can come of it. Feelings don’t change facts, but they do change how people act upon facts
Are you describing propaganda?
Umm no? It does describe how propaganda can work, but people can be influenced in many ways. Asking them how they feel on a topic is not propaganda. Based on the results you can analyze and argue that people are being influenced by propaganda
According to my survey, 37% of Americans are annoyed you said this
Voters are just dumb in general. They love to revel only in the good parts of the past when they can’t cope with the present. Which is understandably so, because wallowing nostalgia is said to be a natural antidepressant for humans. In any case, Americans thought the economy was better under Trump 1.0 when Biden was in office, who had to contend with Covid and fixing the damage created by the Republicans. And now, voters are full of regret and think Biden’s administration is better? They get what they voted for! No take backsies!
Who gives a shit about opinion? It’s just an objective fact. What that dipshits supporters have deluded themselves into believing doesn’t change that.
Opinions can get people genocided. What dipshits believe can get you shot in the head.
Remember facts over feelings? Pepperidge Farm does. These guys never miss a chance to make themselves look like complete idiots.
Well of course, our standard of living have declined every year since the seventies. We take a pay cut every year because they changed the way inflation is measured to understate it, the old measure averages 5 to 8% a year just by 2008 while the new measure is like 2 to 3%. It is a compound fucking that just by 2008 would have seen your average Social Security check be worth $1,300 more a month. It really is like that. Numbers Racket, Harper’s Magazine, 2008.
That said the rate of compound fuckery has obviously increased under this President as we all knew it would.
That is really insane. It’s a fact that gas has become more expensive after Trump attacked Iran. The media is full of articles about expensive gas. That is something you can see just by driving to a gas station. You can experience that in your daily life, see the prices with your own eyes. And 35% of Americans believe that gas was more expensive under Biden, just a little of over one year ago?
I kind of can understand that you are getting a wrong impression of things outside of your personal sphere when watching the wrong media. If you’re living somewhere rural and if you’ve never been in Los Angeles, you can get a wrong impression of Los Angeles if your media reporting is wrong. But for something that everyone can experience everywhere?
I think people (correctly) assume that the poll will be used as evidence to criticize Trump, and if they support him they don’t want to give his opponents that evidence. So they’ll say whatever doesn’t imply criticism of him.
So over 1/3 of the population are bootlickers.
I think I remember reading that the act of remembering something is neurologically indistinguishable from just straight up imagining something, but I might be making that up
For real tho, everyone’s memory is crap and most people won’t/can’t take the time to research things they think they remember
35% of Americans can’t recall what they had for breakfast today.
My family of four shared three saltines! Oh when will it end?!
There was a period (the start of the Russia/Ukrainian war) where gas prices were higher than now. So it’s not that crazy I don’t think. The best way to compare two periods would be to average the prices over time but people can’t do that on their own really.
Maybe I’m going crazy, but gas hit 4.99 in my area, and the highest I’ve seen before then was ~4.30
I really feel like I’m being gaslit by people saying gas was higher or just as high during Biden’s presidency.
I mean it’s totally possible it’s higher in your local area. It’s a national average so there are also local factors at play that aren’t visible in it.
We can compare those periods, sure, but one immediately followed less than a year of Covid and the other was caused by an illegal, immoral and unnecessary war.
Biden had been in office for not very long when the war in Ukraine started. Inflation steadily improved under his presidency.
Trump’s insane slash-and-burn administration has raised inflation a lot, and that’s not slowing down, it’s increasing.
If all you do is take a mathematical average, you’ve lost too much data to understand the important reasons why we’re seeing what we’re seeing.
Sure but that’s not what the poll was asking. It just asked whether COL was higher or lower between them.
But maybe you’re right that there are better questions to ask.
Yeah I wasn’t trying to argue, although I think my comment unintentionally sounded that way. My bad. I guess my point is that, yes, there are better questions to ask about our current state of affairs than when did we have lower prices. Questions such as:
“Which president did more to address the affordability crisis: Biden or Trump (47)?”
Biden went after this pretty hard while Trump denies there’s even a problem.
No worries I didn’t take it as anything rude.
Yeah but maybe somebody doesn’t drive and they eat corn flakes every day and somehow the corn flakes are cheaper than last year. Or somebody moved from LA to Albuquerque and their living cost is just a lot cheaper now than last year.
Yeah, we know, Trump still has about a 30-40% approval rating. We know! It’s in every damn poll.
Also, since they’re just asking AI now, instead of surveying actual people, what’s the damn point of these polls?
A few polls do that and you assume it’s all polls? Curious.
…where do you see that they’re asking AI now?
Replace “believe” with “have the receipts to prove”
