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Its not about the guns.
Its about making sure you can’t replace that little plastic part that broke, requiring you to buy an entire new item.
I fixed a bread machine with an Ender-3 once. And then a machine that was destined for the trash lasted for a few more years, all the while making loaves of bread that I didn’t have to buy from the store.
If you’re in America, I think this makes you a terrorist.
Not yet but give it time. Causing the Line To Go Down will be a felony.
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Seems like a stupid thing to go after considering Americans have been killing themselves with guns before 3D printers were widely available.
This has nothing to do with guns.
They want to install software blocks that makes sure no one prints copyright figures or DIY replacement parts, while watching printers for unique IP to steal.
Today, 100% of things being designed are fast prototyped in plastic with 3D printers.
Not sure why the printing community is worried now, when AutoCAD has been forcing designs to their cloud servers for a decade, which is about IP theft.
People have made guns in prisons.
This is a fucking joke.
I have faith that the independent 3D printing community will continue to hack its way around printer DRM.
I also have faith that printers that can be modified to print guns (or anything else too spicy for government) will sell better than printers that cannot.
I mean you can just build one. Presumably there’s bugger all they can do about Voron. Slicers are open source, firmware is open source, plans are open source and there are open source controllers.
I can make a gun out of a pipe, a nail and a rubber band. Home made guns aren’t anything new.
We need to ban hardware stores. For the children.
We need to ban hardware stores. For the children.
This is literally the endgame for fasc-flavored feudalistic capitalism.
No tools, only products. No ownership, only leasing.
At least for common folk. The Aristocrat trillionaires obviously have royal blood that makes crops grow and current run through PCBs, therefore rules don’t apply to them and they get to have anything they want while everyone else is a slave.
I find it quite hard to believe it would be able to detect innocuous, dual-use, off the shelf components spread out over a dozen prints.
Even US export controls can’t prevent that, only delay and cause irritation.
it would be able to detect
“It” doesn’t have to be any good at it:
https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/
you can download gun breakdown files online for use in videogames, you can even crack games that already exist with those files present. you can also just model them yourself for free in blender. theres literally no way to stop literally anyone from making their own guns. the unabomber made one in his shack with spare parts and basic tools decades before 3d printers were a thought in the publics minds.
if there is a will, there is a way
Unabomber made bombs, it’s in the name.
I’m sorry, but while I have no plans to print one, if I ever buy a 3D printer, I will make damn sure that it can print one.
I would not spend my money on a borked machine that would control what I print.
That would be as useless as a BMW turn signal.
Agreed, they start the lock down with “Its for the Children” so they can control the printer. Then the next is, that widget/doohickey is patented and you cant print it.
And lets be real you know this lock down will spit out all kinds of false positives basically making it an expensive brink…
Oh and you know all will have to have an internet connection to operate.
This is all part of technology enclosure.
The goal is that you will only be able to use technology in the service of the oligarchy.
Take care of your old systems with unlocked motherboards, you’ll need them.
I like how now all of a sudden we forgot that you can make a gun out of hardware store plumbing… this seems like an intentional way to make sure that people can’t make things without paying the oligarchs. I think the fact that we are getting close to being able to make 90s level tech in garages is scaring the tech bros.
this seems like an intentional way to make sure that people can’t make things without paying the oligarchs. I think the fact that we are getting close to being able to make 90s level tech in garages is scaring the tech bros.
Nah, I suspect it’s a way for the politicians to look like they’re doing something about gun violence without, y’know, actually doing anything about gun violence. Or just generally to distract from what they’re doing on other issues. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” stuff.
The dumbest part is: it is perfectly legal to make a gun for 99% of Americans. The entire ‘ghost gun’ attack angle is doomed to failure.
And it isn’t just 3D printing; the New York bill includes all computerized manufacturing; it very explicitly includes CNC machines, for example. They are taking down entire manufacturing sectors to go after an unwinnable goal.
Its not like I can’t buy a mill press and caliper and make a lower. I already have the jig that makes it even simpler.
With the gig all I need is a hobby drill press.
I remember when the news talked about ghost guns that they’d always bring up this CNC machine that would build AR lowers, the part that is legally “the gun”. I’m pretty sure it was the ghost gunner.
I read into it and got on forums. There was a poster who bought the machine and, because of legal reasons, had to get his friends to come push the start button so that they were making their own guns and not the poster making guns for others. Apparently, he got visited by the ATF, but basically got told he’s walking a fine line.
I can make my own ghost gun with a hand drill and a template you can buy online. a motivated person will always be able to find a way to do things, but its actually easier to just find someone to sell you a cheap illegal gun if you’re gonna commit a crime than to go through the whole trouble of building one yourself.
You can’t actually print a working gun out of plastic, you need metal parts. People think 3D printers are Star Trek replicators.
I saw a YouTube vid on 3d printing guys building glock based guns. Anything that actually took pressure (barrel, springs, extractors, etc) were store bought metal parts.
well duh. There’s a reason guns are made of metal.
I dunno why they don’t just outlaw manufacturing your own firearms without a license…
They would prefer to outlaw manufacturing anything without paying rent seekers.
Seems that way. Next up is licensing fees for printing certain models. Basically they’d like to get as far as when Picard says “Tea, Earl Grey, hot” the replicator says “Brought to you by Lipton. Taste good, feel good. You have 49 remaining replicator credits.”
The don’t want to send a case to the Supreme Court that would rule on the side of homemade firearms.
It’d probably be wildly unconstitutional?
Nothing in the Constitution about who can or can’t construct firearms. Not that anyone cares about The Constitution anymore.
Yeah the supreme court is getting ready to fucking undo assault rifle bans next year, this shit ain’t lasting.
Amazing how they ISPs can just block sites based for states and how sites can block certain areas but these rulings their location jurisdiction.
Seems like bullshit when you can make a more reliable firearm from leas that $20 in parts from any hardware store.
Also “ghost guns” are perfectly legal in the US.
I wonder what the true reason for them attacking 3D printing, home CNC, etc. is…
Too many people are coming up with ways to repair or enhance items that don’t enrich the OEM.
These laws are the DMCA of the physical world. This is stage 4 malignant capitalism, where they claim their true dominion over us all.
Play by the rules: You exist, they make money off your existence, nothing changes.
They’re doing this because the number of self-created guns recovered from crime scenes has increased significantly over the last five years. I made a video about it recently, if anyone’s bored.
Calling it a ‘crackdown’ is a little silly though, and just the kind of overdramatic bullshit one would expect from American gun nuts.
It’s two state-level laws that aren’t even fully in force yet, and won’t work anyway, thanks to US gun law being a patchwork of fifty different fiefdoms’ opinions, many of which are unilaterally unenforced by local sheriffs on purpose anyway. Hell, guns are so absurdly legal in my state that they keep coming up with ways to make them extra-legal so that the gun lobby will keep the bribes flowing.
ThewhyThen why haven’t the famous “saturday night specials” closed all the hardware stores?It’s a mystery for sure…
(european here) i can imagine that the gun religion in usa directed by nra and big manufacturer needs to have someone to blame to divert eyes from lack of real legislation over guns and what best to blame that a growing sector that could potentially affect their share of market in future. They could be scared from the fast development of 3d printing and the crazy power of innovation a community can achieve, they could be left behind just by the lack of innovation.
Another way to say this: blocking consumer 3d printer is a way to reinforce their dominant position by ensuring there is not other path than going threw them and making sure their market share don’t drop because of new technology growing/changing fast while diverting the real issue USA has with guns.
US lost their 3D printing market share to consumers a decade ago.
I was talking about gun market share. Not in the sense that 3D printing is taking today their share but big corps could easily be scared of future tech accessible at home or innovation not made by them. 3D printer/CNC… is changing and innovating so quick, so big Corps blocking access as early as possible makes sens to ensure corps will stay dominant and no new competitors.
PS: my english must be really shitty, you are the third person to mention something i have not said :/
The REAL problem that the US has is deep inequity and a lack of a social safety net work actual healthcare IMO: Gun violence would be virtually eliminated if citizens were actually taken care of.
Even if you could magically disappear all the guns, the US would still be a violent place because gun violence is just a symptom of the above issues.
Before anyone brings it up: I’m not arguing for or against gun regulations here, just that this runs deeper than some might suggest.
I know usa has bigger problem than guns like healthcare (bigger as it affects way more people than guns), my comment was only to answer to your why would they go after 3D printing.
A violent place without guns Will always be a better place than with.
The insane manufacturing control laws in the article are passed by Democrats in Democrat-controlled states. Blaming this on the right is laughable.
See also: NY’s manufacturing control laws that restrict not only our 3D printers, but all computerized manufacturing, including CNC machines and lathes.
I think it’s funny when people call Democrats the left. USA has two right wing parties, both corrupt as fuck.
Where did i say the right did it??
It’s basically at the thought-crime level of threatening, although a bit more real. More importantly, it’s an excuse industries that are threatened can lock on to so they don’t have to worry about low cost alternatives. A metal rod and some gunpowder = ghoster gun.
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Author: Michael Lydick. I’m guessing his middle name is Claude.
What, no way, who ever could have seen that coming?
