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Keep saying it but the drought is scary man. Everything is just dust here now. Rivers are completely dry.
It’s crazy to think about the change central europe went through these past summers. We had breathable air, real rain at least twice a week.
We get lucky if it drizzles 5min twice a month, but you only smell the dust that has been lifted from the ground.
It rained for five minutes today. It wasn’t even rain just some drops. Probably evaporated before it went into the ground. Next ten days no rain either and multiple 30+ degree days.
And because our rivers come from inland and more central Europe your problems also come to us again lol. All the rivers are dried up.
Have a great week everyone! Grabbed a mini eReader myself, and it’s been a great doomscroll antidote.
As always, communism will win.
what have you been reading on the mini ereader?
Finished Nkrumah’s Neocolonialism, the Last Stage of Imperialism on it, and have since been using it for This Soviet World. Going to use it to accelerate larger book reading for study!
very cool, i got stalins collected works on my ereader recently
Cool! I saw that Iskrabooks now hosts epubs for some titles like Stalin’s collected works.
its exactly those!
Nice! Always wanted to buy some of their books but could never rationalize the expense.
Which ones?
From ISKRA books. They have free epubs
Noice
You should read Yuri Smertin’s biography of the guy, it’s great for putting him, his works, and his life in perspective.
Thanks!
What kind did you get? I’ve got one that’s about the size of the tablet and while I do really like it at home it is fairly cumbersome to take out with me
The XTEink X3! Only a 3.7" screen, but it works well enough for me reading-wise, and I use my larger Kobo at home.
Oh wow that is small. I may check that out
There’s a larger one, the X4, as well!
I might get that one
Thanks Cowbee. Enjoy your mini eReader. Have a great week as well.
Thanks!
Infighting in Dutch leftie land. Popular commie YouTube Left Laser said in an interview to stop focusing on identity politics and to put class war first (more or less). Other lefties find this racist. Fighting between meme pages is happening.
Class is the ontological driver of Identity inequality. You cannot end inequality between ethnicities, cultures, genders, sexualities, religions, etc, without first confronting Classism.
We do need to be aware of identity power dynamics within our organizations so as to not perpetuate those inequalities but we should not be investing energy battling the bourgeoisie on their chosen field.
Yeah
In the Latina/o community here in America:
Class definitely rules
I can’t speak for other races or ethnicities but yea
I guess it depends on how he said it tbh. There are a lot of “marxists” that want ignore identity politics completely and put it all the way after the revolution.
Most people who invoke the phrase identity politics like to claim that they’re against people saying things like “you can’t speak on that because you’re not _____”, or “listen to _____ voices” (uncritically and ignoring their class backgrounds), but then will happily allow people to smuggle in transphobia, homophobia and racism in under the same shibboleth and barely lift a finger to refute them.
I agree.
Well, I am not for class reductionism, but I do think that both class and intersectional struggles are necessary.
They really doing the flopped BSW strategy - my euro leftist is cooked 💔
“identity politics” can mean a few different things. But overall, these are not separate things under capitalism. Capitalism creates, for example, racial categories by which to designate a particular subclass of human in a given society, one that can be hyperexploited, mistreated, and scapegoated for problems, driving a false consciousness. And that racial oppression is a real, existing thing that takes on its own life and forms, stoked or suppressed as needed for the liberal order. Saying, “stop talking about racial oppression so much” ignores an extremely important material reality of capitalist society, really an essential aspect, and the point of doing a class analysis is to explain how we can come together for mutual liberation from these oppressions. For example, the liberation of women was essential to most socialist revolutions, the oppression of women also being intrinsically tied to capitalist oppression, typically to make them marginalized unpaid workers whose role is the reproduction of labor, the creation and maintenance of the reserve army of labor and the other workers, generally designated male. This also made women more precarious overall and paid worse than men for the same job, fulfilling a similar role for hyperexpoitation as race.
A leftist who says, “it’s about class not identity” is not well-versed in basic Marxist analysis or history. They are forwarding a wrong and counterrevolutionary line. They should always say, “yes and” to describe both class antagonism and marginalizationa related to identity politics as both emerging from capitalism. Class conflict isn’t even always the primary contradiction in a nation, such as in Palestine where it is settler colonialism (and internationally, imperialism). One should always be able to recognize the real existence of marginalization and its function in the service of capital, spreading a coherent, united approach towards contradictions.
Now, there is a common and liberal form of identity politics that is mostly just a self-serving form of tokenization. Like the 3rd generation gusano that says, “how dare you tell me Castro did good things, he took my family’s
slave plantationfarm!” These are cynical weapons that are themselves inherently racist, sexist, transphobic, etc etc by flattening a ethnic group, gender, etc into just one experience that somehow, through the magic of liberalism, ends up justifying fascism, genocide, war, imperialism… We do have to push back against this.
Visited FC United of Manchester recently. It’s a fan owned club established by angry Man Utd fans who opposed the takeover by a US owner. They had a surprising amount of communist flags hanging around. Some hamsics, Marx banners, Che, pro Palestine. Very cool club.
For a minute there when I first read this I thought you were saying that the fan owned club was established by a literal angry man lol
The football team?
(I know nothing about football and probably hate it now due to my stupid father so excuse me for my ignorance)
Yup
Oki
My dream is to visit socialist football clubs from all over Europe, and they are on my list
Very friendly people. Run by volunteers. I wanted to get a jersey and some guy had to come down to open the fan store just for me. Took me around the grounds as well and gave me a history lesson for free.
🫵 You WILL have hope, comrade.
Nothing gets my hope up more than when I put complete faith in strangers and they pull through even when they’re not required to do so. I will never hate humanity. I will never lose faith in humankind’s potential for goodness. 💙 😭
This is why I loved hitch hiking.
This is why I love traveling in general.
What is this, Disney Star Wars where they explicitly say the word “hope” in every show or movie just to hammer home that theme?
I think Game of Thrones is a great example as to why I dont get invested in still being worked on media. Like, if better call Saul had a GOT tier ending I think I actually would’ve exploded. It’s why I haven’t started playing Deltarune yet, even if I’m pretty sure it’ll be good.
I mean, at least the people who watched the GOT TV show got an ending. I can’t imagine what it’s like for fans of the books
This is why I don’t buy Steam games that are still in Early Access.
Early Access is just you paying a company to work as their beta tester. I would call it unpaid labor except it’s even worse because they take money from you. It is the biggest scam in gaming today.
companies would rather release broken, buggy messes or rob their players than pay actual beta testers smh
R E A L
I remember when early access was only for small indie creators, and not tolerated for bigger studios.
The first few seasons of GoT were good. I just memory holed the last 2 seasons. I don’t regret the investment even if it was a let down.
That’s why I prefer tv shows with only one season, where the entire story line is being completed in one season so later seasons can’t ruin it. And even if the ending does suck, at least you didn’t get invested in the show for years.
Yeah, fuck GOT, they ruined Stannis
As a fan of the books, the answer is to make peace with Winds of Winter never coming out and enjoy ASOIAF for what it is 🫠
The true answer is to write Winds of Winter (Fanfic time)
I believe there IS at least one fan project to write TWoW lol, haven’t read it yet. The thing is that (according to GRRM) TWoW will be when we finally learn what the deal is with The Others and learn more about Valyria than we ever have before. So that alone isn’t an easy task. The way the show did this was extremely underwhelming and by-the-numbers.
If it were my version I’d definitely make it so that the Targs sold out Valyria to the Faceless Men because they grew to abhor slavery and wanted to be big fish in a little pond in Westeros. I think it’s basically canon already.The fan project is by Preston Jacobs and includes all his theories as true.
I remember his got ending rewrite and how he had Qyburn poison Cersei while yapping about The Brave Companions and Oberyn and the Martells in like an 15 minute evul villain monologue and I just burst out laughing.
I did kinda like the first dany chapter though.
Right, Preston Jacobs is the author of those fics. He has some good theories but I can’t really get excited over these decisions lol so maybe I shouldn’t read this (who am i kidding, in like 5 months i’ll be so hungry for ASOIAF/TWoW post-HotD S3 that I probably will).
Oh well, back to my Lucifer Means Lightbringer videos (I’m a GEOTD truther and genuinely think if we get TWoW we’ll see some visions via Dany that confirms it, given how her visions in ACoK basically already does)
Infinity Train taught me this lesson. On top of going of the rails it can also just get canned. No thanks.
I’m still going to read Sword Art Online because I want to have stuff to talk about with my friend, but otherwise, yeah.
Alright, the higher-ups at the Wikimedia Foundation are unable to fight backlash from the community.
what’s going on? out of the loop
They chose not to voluntarily recognize the union and hired a notorious union busting law firm.
Fuck Wikipedia.
seconded
They chose not to voluntarily recognize the union and hired a notorious union busting law firm.
Fuck them to high heaven.
i have never been inclined to give wikipedia money tbh. extremely astroturfed and controlled website that wins hearts on western internet for its ‘objectivity’ (read: milquetoast, pro-west narrative pervading almost everything, especially the biggest pages) and i disdain it out of hand for that. however i’ve also heard whisperings about the true necessity of the funding they ask for and the union busting mentioned below certainly solidifies the case of them as fucking idiots.
I join a new org, and now I’m realising they see China as imperialist. Festering in my liberalism by not bringing this up to them. Is this a big enough thing to consider not organizing with this group? Its hard for me to do a proper analysis of the org due to disability issues so I am asking for input.
Its a dealbreaker for me, but try poking around other members to see where they’re at, maybe there is someone salvageable.
At this conjuction of time, any org that sees China as imperialist is a joke and has to be considered reactionary.
Yeah thats a red flag… and not the good kind. Write a speech denouncing them for falling into idealism and imperialist propaganda.
I disagree with this approach.
It is best to just exit.
Leftist groups, at least certain ones, can act very cultish and they may gossip and badmouth you to others to other activist organizations in the area, for example. Also, there are other forms of reprisal.
Honestly, as someone that has dealt with this stuff not too long ago, I would just bow out and not make it into an event if you can.
Tagging @ConfusedPuppy@lemmygrad.ml so they see.
Depends. I’d think like this:
- Is it a big party, with some marxist and some soc-dems etc.? Try to find like-minded comrades and use it as a way to agitate for and educate about marxist politics (if that is possible within the structure)
- Is it a small cadre party? If so you might want to skip out
- Is it a specific issue group? See if you can work in a positive way about the specific issue and discuss the topic amicably if it shows up. BUT this depens a lot on the situation!
If you are unsure, discuss with a comrade you know, write a journal, and go with your gut feeling, and don’t attach yourself too much to something you are skeptical of.
Not OP but I wanted to ask a question. How could a journal help?
I need to write things down to get stuff out of my head and make decisions. Some others feel the same. But ultimately it’s not about the journal as such, but about finding out how you best process things in your life
I see
I hope you all have a nice week :D
You too, Oppo!
You too Oppo
You too, comrade! •ɷ•
You too Oppo!
Ngl capitalism and business gets me excited with gears turning doing problem solving. Too bad it’s ran by pedophiles and inherently unsustainable. A shame really. Luckily there’s this thing called socialism that allows me to do engineering and not worry about my cousin being taken to a certain island
frankly, I want to run either a small business or be in a co-op
or maybe be self-employed
i don’t currently know what opportunities there are for me in those fields though
I know the “video games can’t be art” thing is kinda a dead horse, but I think most of what can be said about video games can also apply to, of all things, architecture. Architects have to deal with physics and usability in a similar way game designers and writers have to deal with the limits of programming and usability.
I wish gatekeeping what is and isn’t art were a dead horse. It’s boring & fruitless.
I still remember in the early 2000s when people said Techno wasn’t “real” music.
Yeah
Architecture is a core of Iranian art, dating back literally thousands of years
It takes some getting used to going from a big city in Belgium with a huge left wing community to a working class smaller city back home in The Netherlands. I hope to find some decent orgs I can join soon.
Have you ever thought about how ugly the flag of Amerikkka is?
flag in question

Even if it didn’t represent the most genocidal empire in history, it would still be a ugly ass flag. It has too much information: 50 stars, 13 stripes, and a height-to-width ratio of 10:19?? Who designed this garbage??
Don’t forget the fact Captain America’s suit defaces this flag because nobody has time to draw half a hundred stars on his chest.
Reminds me, I remember a commie once pointing out that the Star Spangled Banner song doesn’t even sound that good and I still think about it to this day. It has kind of a goofy history too: https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/star-spangled-banner
Some highlights:
After the hours of bombardment and the fear that the British could overtake the fort and head to Baltimore, Key awoke to a proud display of American patriotism and a symbol that they were not going to stop fighting. That morning he wrote notes for a future poem about this event. Later that week, he finished the poem “Defence of Fort M’Henry.” On September 20, the Baltimore Patriot published “Defence of Fort M’Henry.” Francis Scott Key’s brother-in-law set the poem to music, and the combined poem and music were published under the name “The Star-Spangled Banner.”
In 1929, “House Resolution 14” was presented to Congress to name “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the official national anthem to the United States. There were many objections to this resolution.
One objection was that the tune of the “Star-Spangled Banner” was taken from the song “To Anacreon to Heaven.” This song was the theme for the Society of Anacreon, which was active between 1766-1791. The Society of Anacreon was a gentleman’s club that meet monthly to listen to music of questionable tastes and to socialize. Ralph Tomlinson wrote the lyrics and John Stafford Smith composed the melody in 1788 and 1780 respectively. The song alluded to alcohol consumption and love in the last line of the first stanza, “I’ll instruct you like me to entwine the myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s wine.” Even though only the tune was used, some members still saw it risqué that the two songs could be intertwined.
If you look it up, the Society of Anacreon, was a club in London. So a song with lyrics that are about a fight with the British, uses a tune taken from a British song lol. Classic colonizer maneuver.
Neat piece of history. Colonizers have serious creative sterility for some reason.
Thanks for sharing!
I liked the Serapis flag better.
let me show you a cursed image:
flag

Flag of the Republic of the United States of Brazil
Hear me out- the color scheme is soothing.
new trans girl i met thats otherwise socially progressive seems to believe in reverse racism (as in anti-white racism) and dubs stalin and mao worse than hitler and says he has the highest kill count due to the famine. is this fixable (i know the answer)
They fixed the genocidal last emperor of China. The limiting factor is how much time and energy you have to work on them. Sometimes you can make good headway with something like “Everything you know about communism you’ve heard from capitalists. That’s like learning about sexuality and gender from an evangelical anti-abortionist trad wife”
there is a tumblr post about puyi i think about every fucking day and im glad u reminde dme. thanks for ur advice. nice to be back on space of people that dont make me feel crazy for thinking fascism is worse than cuba
Several nuclear power plants in Europe are on the brink of shutting down or have been shut down due to severe drought





















