Hello guys! A person I know recently got into Rednote and came across different posts by people with their locations set in China or Chinese guys claiming to to be living in Western countries and those posts claimed stuff like;
-VPN happens to be banned in Xinjiang Autonomous Region
-Uyghur langauge has been crushed and they speak and write Mandarian now while all other groups in China speak their own langauges(he mentioned Inner Mongolia for some reason)
-There is excessive security in Xinjiang Autonomous Region and the people get oppressed there
-Muslims in general are forbidden from proselytizing(guy is religious and for some reason thinks this is an important thing) and that’s against religious freedom(and he claims that there are underground Christian churches there that do proselytize secretly) (this last point is pretty wierd really)
There is heightened security in Xinjiang… because of wahhabi terrorists that came over from Afghanistan during the war.
Carl Zha has some good videos about Xinjiang and so does Jerry’s Takes on China. I forget which video it was but Carl explained that Uighur culture is not salifist. They have their own alcoholic beverages and drinking culture, and are generally much less strict than other muslims.
China is repressing “muslims” but the ones they are repressing are the imported, supremacist wahhabi cult that is practiced by isis and al-qaeda. China would “repress” the KKK too.
Religious groups are genuinely forbidden from proselytizing. China considers it a public nuisance and honestly I get it. This isn’t exclusive to Muslims though. You can practice your religion as much as you want within your religious institution but outside of it you are expected not to bother people with it.
VPNs in general are limited in China and this is not exclusive to xinjiang
As for the rest here is yogthuos’
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Sigh, alright I guess I’ll address the “concentration camps” nonsense in detail for you. The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.
However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let’s just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.
This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City’s biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.
According to Wikipedia, “The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000.” Let’s assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?
Let’s do some math:
Rikers Size Rikers Prisoners One Million Uyghurs Size 413.2 acres (0.645 square miles) 10,000 to 15,000 43 to 64 square miles In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.
For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You’d literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It’d be like looking at a map of California. There’s Los Angeles. There’s San Diego. And look, there’s San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.
Literally visible to the naked eye from space.
CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn’t even make sense from logistics perspective.
Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.
Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”
Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.
Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.
Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.
The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.
It’s also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:
US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/
Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html
Here’s an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/
It’s also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.
- https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
- https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2023/07/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds-of-cooperation-with-xinjiang/
- https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/islamic-envoys-say-china-is-protecting-minorities-in-xinjiang-after-five-day-visit
Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they’re unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9
There’s a further list of debunking here if you’re interested https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.
Thanks (and what about the whole “crushing the Uyghur language” myth? How do I debunk that for that fellow? )
It’s on their currency, their shops, their road signs, they learn it in school, it’s used as part of cultural rejuvenation and for tourism etc. Also just everyday use.
Someone with more patience than me can send you more walls of links. That often does the trick in advertising to others that their ignorance and malice is not acceptable; whether it “convinces” them is another story:
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
Part of the underlying islamophobic racism of those perpetuating the uyghur myth is that they equate salafist takfiri with the whole of islam and if muslims aren’t this very specific relatively new branch then they aren’t “real muslims”, which shouldn’t be surprising as these are apparently the only acceptable types of religion for western imperialism.
Also the west neither care about muslims nor chinese but somehow cry crocodile tears about chinese muslims. Literal genocide going on as we speak in west asia.
One more point came up; The Xinjiang Autonomous Region is controlled by Han Chinese or puppet Uyghur that work to destroy the region actively
Sounds like they do not approve of self governance if it’s not west approved. They want subservience to themselves not autonomy and when they don’t find it they project their sins. Uyghurs’ jumps in HDI and wealth don’t need western genocide apologist placation to survive.
Lol
Meanwhile ask how many first nations languages have been lost entirely in Canada, the US and Australia as a result of colonialism.
Lol
Tell them to open youtube dot com and search Xinjiang travel blog. There’s Uyghur language everywhere, both spoken and written. You can’t hide it.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
i guess you can find that crap anywhere… but rednote is really good about taking down reported crap
Guy claims to have seen Chinese people make such claims about Xinjiang
I’m sure he has. There are people who lived in the USSR that also believe it was terrible.
Just like there are people that will swear up and down that the U.S. is a great place to live.
There are many factors to why someone would say things in favor of or against the country they live. To that end no one person is evidence of anything; their perspective & experience is singular and individual.
