Iran played the game our way, then trump threw the game out the window and blamed Iran. So Iran says “F your rules” and all bets are off.
Trump literally admitted he would’ve never attacked Iran if they had nukes. He basically told the world “get nukes as fast as possible or I’m gonna invade you next!”.
Trump literally admitted he would’ve never attacked Iran if they had nukes.
In no uncertain terms.
Trying to get an nuke would also start the war though . Hillary the warmonger also said the same thing about annihilating iran if they try to get a nuke
They all say that, but look at the DPRK… no one has even mentioned invading or “annihilating” them ever since they got their nukes.
Imma use this comment to bitch
I took a class forever ago, something like international relations, and the teacher said “this course will teach you why capitalism is bad”. It was shortened because it was a summer course and they never got around to actually explaining their stance
During the first few days, when trying to name countries that had nukes and came up short one, I said “North Korea” and they snapped back at me “North Korea doesn’t have any nukes” so I kinda didn’t pay attention for the rest of the class. Passed it because all I needed was credits. I learned nothing. But that has annoyed me for far too long
I think I know what you mean, I also feel a bit “mandela-ed” with this tbh. I do remember quite vividly that the DPRK didn’t have nukes. Like at least until Trump 1. But idk, in this reality they do lol 🤷♂️
It might have been true at the tine, nk didn’t sucessfully test its first nuke until 2006. I suspect the US accusing them of selling yellowcake to Iraq accelerated things.
It was definitely after that point in time (I double checked) and in retrospect “forever” wasn’t as long ago as it felt
I guess your history teacher didn’t keep up to date with history. Like it ended in the 90s or something :fukuyama:.
Iran gets war no matter what. Getting nuclear weapons is the most logical course of action.
After the US murdered hundreds of children, but before the US violated its own ceasefire, Iran was willing to store excess enriched uranium in a third country. Its actually insane how conciliatory and willing to give the US an exit Iran has been.
They’re the only reasonable party in this fucked up timeline
It’s was Iran that resumed attacks after the ‘ceasefire’, after internal opposition flared up against the politicians that had agreed to it
Actually no. The USA breached several of the clauses in the MoU immediately after signing it. Including threatening the life of negitiators (in violation of #1 and #2), and trying to divert traffic through the shallow southern coast of the Persian Gulf (in violation of #5).
That’s not the ceasefire part but ok, how do you see ships passing the Strait as a violation of #5?
Okay, let’s clarify. The Islamabad MoU was signed on June 15. As per clause §1, the parties agreed to end hostilities on all fronts and explicitly in Lebanon. Hezbollah agreed. Israel did not, and continued to attack Beirut every day, with the USA’s blessing. The USA could have done any number of things to try to reign in their rabid dog, even something performative, but elected not to do so.
That’s the breach of the ceasefire, and it’s the background to the other breaches of the MoU by the USA that I mentioned above.
It feels like you’re just throwing stuff at the wall here
The USA never interfered in Lebanon and Israel doesn’t have anything to do with the MoU.
Israel even has agreements with Lebanon allowing them to strike back at Hezbollah
So we went from “USA breached the ceasefire first” to “Hezbollah and Israel never stopped fighting”
Everything written previously was incorrect. The Lebanese government did not give Israel permission to strike Hezbollah. If it had, it wouldn’t be a ceasefire. The agreement explicitly states that the Lebanese government not Israel is responsible for disarming Hezbollah.
You’re very close to seeing the light
The agreement with Lebanon states that Israel can retain it’s buffer zone and ‘defend itself’ while Lebanon tries to disarm Hezbollah and remove them from the south
What would you think happens when Hezbollah attacks Israel or Israeli troops during that time? Do you feel the agreement means the Israelis have to sit back and take it?
I’m explaining why world events are unfolding how they are. Right or wrong, Iran’s view is that the USA could wield massive influence over Israel’s actions with regard to their genocide and their war against Lebanon. The USA and Iran agreed that an end to the hostilities in Lebanon was §1, but the USA did nothing to honor it.
You’re correct that Israel didn’t get a seat at the negotiating table. Nor should they have one. They should get told in no uncertain terms to stop their fucking genocide or face consequences, by their master the USA. Failing that, it’s going to be Hormuz blockade and Red Sea blockade, and now those things are a reality.
The next step is to fuck over Israel’s gas shipments via Azerbaijan by the way.
To get peace in Lebanon, Iran needs to shut down Hezbollah. They never took steps there either. So in that regard, Iran immediately broke #1 by your definition and that explains why things are how they are
The usa broke the mou so Iran has the right to nullify it. The mou state that only iran and oman would have to decide together how to manage the straight, the usa still tried to create alternative routes so it could restart full scale war
That might be how some in Iran read it, but that’s not what the mou says
It is exactly what the mou said
Maybe if you read it with Iran goggles lol
No, i read it as it is
How do ships sailing through the Strait stop Iran from talking to Oman?
Iran attacked vessels that didn’t pay the toll.
Well, then the US attacked IRGC targets that “didn’t pay the toll”
Quite the ceasefire
Oh fuck off.
Brb imma go to the nearest intersection here and “extract some tolls” from passersby
Hope they don’t make me break the ceasefire!
Please stay there and away from us.
Ok but what if we offer a real sweet deal? A deal no one has ever gotten before? We give you a nasty pedophile and you open the strait? It’s a pretty good deal. You can do whatever you want.
No take backs tho.
The usa will still be the great Satan for them.A teerorist country you can’t trust
Makes perfect sense, they already tried that, and still got attacked.
I hope you meant to say “They were making as much highly enriched uranium as they could and then were attacked”
Not without proof.
Do you trust the IAEA inspectors who had access to the sites?
In general, yes, bur you have not posted any proof yet.
The IAEA reports are public
Where did you get the information that the opposite was true?
reports still say they were enriching within what’s allowed, what’s your point?
IAEA harmed Iran also, acting as US spies & Iran got no sanctions relief.
What’s ‘allowed’? How much was ‘allowed’?
USA Intel said they never tried to build one since the fatwa
Build enriched uranium?
aan yes weapons of mass destruction in the middle east
has been working for decades
They use to say Pakistan would use nukes if they have it.nothing happened
I never thought I’d see the day when I would think of this as a good thing
I only get exposed to global war news about once per month but I must say it’s always hilarious and not very surprising to learn how terribly the war is going for the great orange in the white construction site
I am sure Isreal will be ok with that.
Who gives a shit? Iran had obligations to the UN, not a nuclear armed tiny fake state creating a mess in the ME since its creation.
israel isn’t “fine” with most things in the world
