• 🌸𝓯𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻🌸@sh.itjust.works
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    2 hours ago

    USA just switched off starlink in Ukraine. They blocked Microsoft accounts and visa cards from ICC members. You can’t rely on USA tech. It’s got a killswitch and a madman ready to push the button.

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    3 hours ago

    Microslop is a security risk. An OS with a backdoor isn’t useful for anything but gaming.

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    I agree. Digital sovereignty is important for the EU. The less we are in the pocket of the US the better.

    Digital anarchy is important for the regular people. The more you take technology in your own hands, the less you are at the whims of centralised services.

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    6 hours ago

    I wonder if the tech companies will realize their bending to Trump is going to shoot them in the ass

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    9 hours ago

    Now if they also directed the license cost savings back toward funding their newly chosen oss projects, we’d be golden.

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      Imagine. Companies that instead pay X amount pay X*.25 or something. Small cost for the business compared to Microsoft and huge boost in revenue to improve OSS.

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        B-but a study funded by CCIA Europe (Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta…) says EU cloud sovereignty rules would cost Europe up to €233 billion. (Conveniently, it doesn’t count the benefits of not depending on them.)

        So considerate of them, worrying about our wallets out of pure altruism.

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          The general message I hear among enterprise architects is that there’s a price for IT sovereignty.
          But that it’s a price worth paying.

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            A price for switching.

            Then it’s simpler and cheaper.

            It’s even cheaper hardware wise in many cases.

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            I question if the price is really higher, once the transition costs are paid. Those cloud services by US big tech ain’t cheap and are highky profitable.

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        Even just a one-time monthly payment equivalent would be massive. I’ve seen companies that spend well over 60k a month on microsoft licenses.

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      I imagine most of those costs are probably redirected to implementation at first.

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      The switchover’s been ongoing for years as some European governments have moved to Linux, and are going for FOSS for their operations.

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      They can consider LibreOffice if they need cloud features, with collabora and nextcloud.

      It’s way more complicated to deploy rather than just paying $60/user/month for Microsoft 365 E5, but nextcloud and collabora sell commerciale support, others sell managed instances, Germany is selling opendesk as a saas, and al on

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      Thing is, cloud features are very good for being productivity. And also for minimising mistakes, because you dont have multiple copies.

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        The copies of same excel with a bit of change by different users on my sharepoint site disagrees.

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        Long before clouds was a thing we had servers and local networks and shared drives. We still have servers and private vpns to connect to them to access shard drives.

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          I agree. “The cloud” is just the same shit but someone else is running it and it has a web based UI. There’s also ways to make libreoffice collaborative too hiw m365 office is. We don’t need it.

          I called this over a decade ago. Embrace, extend, extinguish, now all the prices hike what seems like quarterly or biannually. Such a joke.

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          Sure, and maybe even some kind of suvversion system could lock one user out while the other is doing work, to avoid the kinds of conflicts that we’re talking about here.

          All of that is a hard sell versus the experience of dropping into a document and seeing three cursors all entering data collaboratively, a la Google Sheets.

          And I’m writing this to someone that’s trying to make myself at home using Grid raft, the vibecoded AI Slop Excel. If I had to share documents mid-production with anyone else at all, I would need something cloud-based.