Hello everyone,
I raised the point recently already, but to make it short
- there is an active poster on !privacy@programming.dev
- !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is mostly me and @cm0002@lemmy.world
- I think it would be beneficial to consolidate on one community rather than crosspost content from one to the other
I tried to reach out to the active poster, who posted to the lemmy.dbzer0 community in the past before switching back to programming.dev, and I guess they disagree with some of the stances of dbzer0 (probably the pro AI one)
Programming.dev has a few hiccups from time to time, but for a few months it has been stable
What do people think?
I really wish lemmy added proper multi-comms, than these issues would be resolved. You would just follow a multi-comm of all these comms, and any post in any of them would appear in your feed. Then there would also be a space for a pro-GenAI /c/privacy and pro-Crypto /c/privacy, without someone having to compromise their values
Coming in 1.0: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/5601
Not helpful now obviously, but nice that’s it’s already implemented.
Piefed has those, but the majority of people are obviously still using Lemmy
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As I said in the OP, I would rather collaborate with the active poster on !privacy@programming.dev rather than compete on !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
There are only two active posters on dbzer0, @cm0002@lemmy.world and I, so the move would at least consolidate the three active poster on the topic in the same place
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It does seem to be an ideological opposition to db0’s AI stance, though it doesn’t really make sense to me because, like you said, c/privacy doesn’t have anything to do with AI: https://lemmy.nz/comment/15894250
I can’t really see the benefit in bending over backwards to accommodate someone who won’t even communicate.
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The community is only as active as regular posters are.
If I or @cm0002@lemmy.world switch to the programming.dev community, over time it will become more active than the dbzer0 version
As I said elsewhere, I’m just tired of not being able to have a single community as an alternative to .ml
Also, it’s not about destroying a community, merely locking it. You can reopen it later if issues happen with the programming.dev one
At this point, I would rather follow the single organic active poster on that topic as long as they post on an ok instance (which programming.dev is)
I’m a bit burnt out of trying to have alternatives to lemmy.ml communities. We’ve been trying for more than a year by now (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/21760805), and we didn’t manage to get any of the alternatives communities to get even on par with the .ml one
When external projects or contributors post to Lemmy about their project, like Framasoft or Comaps, they do it on .ml communities
Either we all agree that the .ml communities stay the default ones on those topics, and that our attempt was a failure, or we agree to follow organic posters where they are.
I’m a bit burnt out of trying to have alternatives to lemmy.ml communities.
I can understand that, it is an uphill battle. !linux@programming.dev at least is doing well.
It’s just annoying from a user perspective to have to keep up with all this intricate instance politics for a single comm. Maybe p.dev is the right choice just because it’s so uncontroversial so won’t cause issues.
Yes, !linux@programming.dev is in a better shape.
It’s just annoying from a user perspective to have to keep up with all this intricate instance politics for a single comm. Maybe p.dev is the right choice just because it’s so uncontroversial so won’t cause issues.
Definitely. That’s why I’m always advocating for a single community, all posters post there, after a bit mods of the inactive communities suggest to their communities to get locked down and point to the active one.
And yes, that’s my feeling too about p.dev
Honestly I’m not the biggest fan of consolidation, and I’d like to try this solution before the other.
So we just let the .ml communities stay the main ones on those topics? https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49181106/20133299
Also, didn’t we consolidate !growthefediverse@slrpnk.net with !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com ?
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Growthefediverse was dead, even the moderator himself admitted it. I don’t see the contradiction here tbh
If active posters stop posting to a community, it dies
From the previous comment (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48474450/19929594)
Her mentioning “Also quokk.au” under the “Uhhhh lemmy.dbzer0.com is the pro-AI instance.” makes it quite clear that it’s an issue for her.
I reached out to her 27 days ago, she never replied to me, I guess that’s not going to happen. Meanwhile, !privacy@lemmy.ml is still the default community by far because we can’t decide on one alternative community that can work for all active posters
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=privacy&order=active_month
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Flamingos linked another comment that is much more clear
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Thanks!
Well, now I have to convince @cm0002@lemmy.world to switch too, that might be another task altogether x)
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No worries, it’s understandable! I plan to recruit a few more mods for a few communities I had to migrate following the lemm.ee shutdown to avoid that too.
Lol I’ll go wherever the flow is going, though iirc the MAU deficit was more than half between the 2, so that might be an uphill battle
But yea, if you feel this is the best move, I’ll redirect
Though, I will say, I find this beef with AI-gen’d stuff rather silly, people should shit on proprietary profit-driven AI companies and support open source AI
I don’t really care about AI, if there’s an active poster on a non controversial instance I think following their lead probably makes the more sense
I always prefer one strong community with several active people over spreading everything out. Makes it feel more coherent, maybe mods can work together, we get less cross-posts and newcomers don’t need to subscribe to dozens of places, they get fewer, but more active ones instead.
I use db0
Do you have any issues with programming.dev?
Nope, just db0 felt like a good fit. It’s a good instance with great admin and moderation teams. Plus it’s piracy adjacent.
There is also !privacy@lemmy.ca.
That one has the more limited scope of “tips and tricks to protect your privacy”, which I understand to mean that news articles about surveillance etc. aren’t on-topic there (so I have been posting those only to other communities with that name).
Yes, and !privacy@lemmy.world x)
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/38851681
Well, at least !privacyguides@lemmy.one shut down since then.
I have no strong preference, I’m happy to post to both in the meantime
We can probably find a way to consolidate to one community to avoid comments separation
I didn’t even know that there was an effort to replace !privacy@lemmy.ml as a regular person I just prefer to post on whatever community is the biggest so if you want to rival .ml, you probably should consolidate
programming.dev is still slow to load for me, has been for a long time
I just checked, it’s as fast as other instances for me
yeah
Not an active poster, but when I do post in privacy community it’s !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com simply because programming.dev is loose with defederation. While I don’t agree with certain instances political ideology something like privacy communities reach being limited because of it makes no sense.
I’ll echo what others have said though that this will get resolved with multi-community support which was funded by NLnet grant. While consolidating now might seem like a good idea to help community growth, I think it’s more damaging longer term than waiting for technical solution.
I had a quick look at https://programming.dev/instances , any instance you think shouldn’t be there? It seems to be mostly Mastodon instances, and outdated Lemmy instances
multi-community support
We’ve been waiting for a while now, I guess I’m just a bit tired
