• Leviathan@lemmy.world
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    They throw their young generations into the meat grinder just to control resources. Putin couldn’t find a way to pivot to new domestic products so now people get to die.

    Fight war, not wars.

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    This is the reality of war. Millions of people die fighting over invisible lines on the map

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    Russian has been losing and the economy is collapsing since 2018 according to these news. Every other week I see something like this. Yet we dont see them retreating.

    900k is more than 50% of there forces according to wikipedia that list 1.5 millions.

    I highly doubt the accuracy of these news reports.

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      I travel a lot, both for work and leisure, and wherever there’s no travel restrictions for Russians, like Thailand, UAE, or Egypt, it’s simply overrun with Russian tourists. And they’re rich, too, with the latest iPhones, Apple Watches and all the other fashion brands.

      As much as I’d like to see l say that Russia is feeling the impact of this war, empirically, I can’t say that it seems that way.

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      I’m not even Russian and I’m offended. Most of these people who died likely didn’t even want to fight, but we’re drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate.

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        Latest mobilization in russia: 133 000

        New contracted service in the russian army forces in 2024: 450 000

        “most”…

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    The world allowing the few to massacre the many for their personal gain has to be what we reject in the 21st century. We need to start arresting and trying every war monger for the murders they are.

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      Losses include casualties, where a combatant is just injured. That might be losing a limb, but in many cases its much less severe and they recover and return to fighting. 3 years is plenty of recovery time, enough for the same person to have been multiple casualties.

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    Lost, huh?

    Does that mean casualties? As in, not necessarily deaths?

    Russia has lost 1,330 soldiers killed and wounded over the past day alone

    I would assume the answer is ‘yes.’

    Fuck I hate the propaganda reporting on both sides.

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      Including wounded is the official definition of lost, always been. No need to call propaganda, it simply how is defined.

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    I’m going against the grain here, but I just think this is really sad. A lot of these people will have been decent people, loved by decent people and some have been brainwashed. It’s a horrible, terrible human cost cos of a dictator

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    And they all died because one psychopathic old fart simply just wanted to take over majority of or the entire country of another for personal gain.

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      Hey, that’s not fair! Most of them were not killed, but only mutilated too much to be ableish-bodied enough for the russian army!

      (Serious note: this is the casuality number, that includes deaths, but also soldiers with wounds that put them out of service, like lost legs)

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      It’s not mere personal gain with Putin. The man has a vision of returning Russia to glorious Soviet Union. Probably felt kicked in the balls when it all fell apart. Remember, he was the head of the KGB, an extraordinarily powerful man. Maybe even more powerful than the Premier? Dunno.

      He likely felt he would quickly crush Ukraine, make them an example, and then move on to other lost, and weaker, countries.

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      Yeah, but let’s keep hating every russian, because they ‘freely choose to enlist’ and invade other countries. They love being shelled by Nato artillery 🥰

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        They didn’t freely choose to enlist but if you put a gun in my hand and tell me kill that innocent person I will rather shoot the person giving me the order

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          I think both of you are oversimplifying.

          Choice and freedom take on an entirely different meaning when you have a state media bombarding you with anti-Ukraine propaganda 24/7. It’s easy for us to say from the sidelines that we’d never get swept up in a war against innocents, but probably a lot of the soldiers have been fully indoctrinated with the idea that Ukraine are a threat to their families. Not to mention they probably now have friends and family who have been killed or wounded in this war.

          Putin is the real villain here. He not only started the war, he’s the one who has kept it going by his refusal to withdraw troops, silenced political opposition, lied to his population, influenced global politics in his favour by buying elections, and used his subjects as fodder in this pointless war.

          It’s fucking twisted the amount of suffering one thoroughly evil man can cause.

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          What if I told you they’re not an innocent person, they’re a Nazi?

          And if you refuse to fight Nazis, maybe it’s because you’re a Nazi yourself, hmm? Maybe we’ll investigate you for that, and keep you in prison while we do. And of course we’ll be investigating your friends and family to see if there are any Nazis there too.

          That’s the condensed version, but you get the picture. There’s a lot more going on than just “here’s a gun, kill them”.

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          They were probably told Ukrain had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and so it’s their DUTY as defenders of freedom to invade and stop these terrorists! … oh, wait

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        Riiiiiigght.

        Be conscripted and die, or fight conscription and die.

        Cowards to the last man.

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    You have more in common with those soldiers than you do with the warpigs pulling the strings that led them to their deaths.

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      I’m pretty sure everybody on these websites knows they’re more similar to enlisted soldiers than to Vladimir Putin.

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      So… You have a lot of common with people who are ready to go kill in exchange for money?

      Oh wowzies.

      Also what a damn bad dichotomy: either side with killers for money or those who pay them to kill.

      For once, a normal human being will not side with either of.

      edit: oh keep them downvotes coming, keep yourself counting all y’all who think killing for money is ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

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        You mean the 18-30 y/o men who are conscripted into compulsory military service for a year? Kinda sounds like a lot of them might not have much choice, barring gulag or suicide, in the matter.

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          tbf, most Russian conscripts are not involved in the war - men sign theoretically voluntary contracts in exchange for extra pay or reduced service time to be deployed outside of Russia.

          That being said, there’s a great deal of coercion that’s involved, so while you can resist pressure to sign a contract, it’s not unreasonable to think that a significant minority felt they really didn’t have a choice.

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            I just believe the righteous antipathy is better leveled at the Russian government, specifically Putin, than the anonymous cannon fodder.

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              I prefer to hate everyone willing to kill me, my friends, my family, take over my country equally. Especially so, if they do it for money, for ten years.

              Hard to grasp such a complex concept, I understand.

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                I can understand why you feel the way you do and cannot dispute it is a hatred you’ve earned.

                Just like I wouldn’t be able to blame any Canadian for hating every US soldier if the US were to invade Canada.

                I personally feel bad for every person involved in something as horrible as fighting in a war. I wish their hearts, brains, and energies could instead be employed in something peaceful, helpful, and beneficial for the future.

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        For a lot of people, yeah actually. It’s all relative to each country’s general economy and propaganda, but there are a lot of people around the world either already in the military willing to die or kill for their country because of patriotism or feeling like there’s no other career paths for them, or that would take up the call if conscripted by their country.

        Then think about how hitmen, assassins, sicarios and those type of criminals are usually from poverty or lower class and just regular people that descended into a life of crime and kill for money. Yeah, I think it’s actually quite common for regular folk to be killing others for money unfortunately.

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    I find this difficult to believe. Edit: Wikipedia has a total (both sides) death toll of 160k-290k.

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      regardless of the total number there are combat footage videos of entire platoons getting obliterated

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      This difficulty to believe it’s actually quite fundamental to what’s happening.

      If you like, I invite you to imagine what would be the explanation if these numbers were true. (Even adjusted for being dead and wounded)

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      IDK but seems probable if anybody on earth can take large amount of casualties, might be the Russians