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        It does, like any good relationship, need some work. I have been using Mint as my main driver for the last couple of months, and even being a beginner friendly Linux it still needed some time to learn and google around. Now that it’s set up i haven’t run into anything for a long while.

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      I still run Windows on a rarely-used old laptop. Every time I use it, it reminds me how much that’s true.

      • Forcing you to reboot to install updates, sometimes interrupting a download or something just because it knows best
      • Ads creeping in all over the place
      • More and more “features” you don’t want and never asked for
      • AI being shoved in your face
      • Surveillance everywhere
      • Constantly trying to push you to use “Edge” instead of your chosen browser
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      It is sad to see Windows get torn apart by Microsoft.

      You don’t have to like it but most people know how to use it

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        No, they don’t, never have, and never will.

        I would be surprised if ‘most people’ nowadays even knew what the ‘Internet icon’ does, since it’s not a logo of Facebook/Instagram/TikTok…

        Even before phones, people could open a browser and perhaps browse pictures.

        The Office Suite is next level, attained by relatively very few.

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      I just had to change my expectations a bit (which might be a lot for some), but the end result is pretty good.
      Always having bad Ping times in multiplayer games, helped out a lot with it.

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          No.

          The internet in my country has high ping all over the place.
          So I never had a good enough experience with Online Multiplayer games for them to keep me on Windows.


          I wasn’t playing online games most of the time anyway, before switching to Linux.

          I do play Elite: Dangerous, but that works pretty fine even with bad pings and it works very well on Linux.

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    Fuck microsoft. Fuck the Idea that everything needs to make a profit. Essential stuff should be publicly owned.

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      I want to nationalize seashores. It’s unfair rich people privatized entire coastline.

      Same with natural resources. WTF are they owned by corpos? Anything mined and drilled should be owned by all citizens

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          We have the same “loop hole” around here.

          People started doing protests by sun bathing in front of the rich folks gardens.

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        I want to nationalize seashores. It’s unfair rich people privatized entire coastline.

        Make them rentable. I want a private piece of seashore for vacation. But nobody should be able to own it for life.

        Same with natural resources. WTF are they owned by corpos? Anything mined and drilled should be owned by all citizens

        as sad as it is, that failed miserably in the soviet union. The soviets initially had way better computer but because all industry was publicly owned noone competed and noone bought computers which is why they fell behind the US.

        There is a sensible middle ground that allows for the pressure-driven innovation of capitalism without its extreme and unfair exploitation. We just have to find it.

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          Make them rentable. I want a private piece of seashore for vacation. But nobody should be able to own it for life

          Bro, that’s even worse.

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            how would that be worse?

            everyone has the possibility to get to vacate on a private piece of seashore but noone gets to hog it and keep it from everyone else.

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              Commidification of nature is bad, mkay. I’d rather see beaches be labeled as public property, like in Oregon, Hawaii, or even Texas.

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          I disagree. Soviets were busy recovering from WW2 for decades while funding own allies. They were not in the position to splurge on non necessities.

          But even with that - they supplied entire population with oil, gas, electric no problems. Utilities barely cost anything even in modern russia

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            In the USSR, private plots owned by collective farm families, averaging 0.25 hectares in area, provided 30% of meat, vegetables and milk, 33% of eggs, and 59% of potatoes in 1979.

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              Bet the land was taken better care of when its a family that owns it compared to some minimum wage workers hired by a mega farm.

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                Yes, although I was referring to the fact that every experiment in collectivized agriculture in the 20th century boils down to: A minuscule percentage of the plots were left to private initiative and those plots account for the majority of the total output.

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    Fuck windows, and copilot, and recall, and most especially OneDrive, and start menu ads, and unnecessary upgrades and … And … I gotta say I’m so much happier on Ubuntu, took me a little googling on some stuff and proton is still finicky sometimes, but man o man is it nice to have an OS which does what I tell it to.

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    switched to arch 7 or so months ago because of the recall spyware breaking the camels back. havent looked back since, i shouldve switched sooner i actually like using my computer now!

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      Roughly the same for me. I couldn’t use Windows 11 on my old one and certainly wasn’t going to put it in my new one. Gaming has been a breeze too, much easier than I was led to believe.

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    The July 2025 data shows that Windows’ market share on Steam dropped by 0.44% while Linux’s market share grew by 0.32%.

    While okay this is growth, it’s not exactly meteoric. Hopefully the trend picks up steam (cough) as the win10 EOL approaches.

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      Lots think the gamers will switch over as win10 gets to EOL. I don’t think so. Most gaming machines need to be more modern tomsupport modern games, so they will likely stick with windows and move to win11. I think Linux has a chance to convert many with older PCs, but they won’t be the gamers.

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        Hell I switched to Linux specifically because I refused to get W11. I do have to agree with you though, the average gamer probably won’t switch to Linux unfortunately.

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          This is exactly how it’s going for me. I’ve been simply too lazy to move everything, test it all, and probably do it all over a couple times to find the distro I actually like.

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          They most certainly will not switch (or switch and not decide to go back after a few weeks) with the timing of the release of Battlefield 6, which requires Windows. It’s an EA game, so I’m not touching that, but they’re doing a lot of marketing and it’s working.

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        I’m personally strongly considering switching when support for Windows 10 ends. I actually started testing the waters by installing Mint on an old netbook today. I game on PC, but the truth of why I’m considering changing is because I’m just sick of the crap with windows. Every new edition is just bigger, slower, filled with more bullshit. I’m just getting tired of disabling all the shit they want to force on me. I’m sure I’m not the only one, but of course this is just my personal experience.

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          I’m a gamer but on console. My PCs are all older so I use Linux on some of them…one still has windows for work software…it’s glitchy enough on Windows so I haven’t even tried wine.

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            Try it, you might be surprised. I played WoW under Linux like 15 years ago, and for a couple of patches WoW ran much better under Linux than Windows because of a bug in the GPU driver or something. The Wine folks handle buggy Windows software all the time, and might fix bugs that MS won’t bother with.

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        This is just wrong. All modern hardware will work on an equally modern kernel.

        However when it comes to games, some competitive multiplayer games that require kernel level rootkits might not run on Linux if the developers think gaming on Linux is cheating.

        I always suggest cross referencing protondb with you game inventory to see if you would have any issues

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          No, you’re misunderstanding. Linux supports new and old. Windows only supports newish. Gamers are more likely to be on newer hardware and so the end of win10 will still allow them to upgrade to win11. They won’t have obscelecence. Older PC users will have forced obsolescence due to win 11 requirements and the eol of win10.

          So, while I expect Linux use to rise with the end of win10, it won’t be mainly gamer PCs. Gamers with a steam deck, already familiar with Linux might be included but that’s a tiny demographic.

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            I think you underestimate the share of gamers that stick with hardware for quite a few years. I maybe I overestimate them. but I think there are tons of people who have computers not eligible for win11

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              I agree with this and would also like to add the current economic situation to the list. People have less disposable income to spend on buying a brand-new computer just because Windows says so. Especially outside of North America and Europe, people are much more likely to be running hardware that’s multiple generations behind the latest hardware. I believe Windows 7 still holds the majority of installs currently in use, and end of life for that was 5 years ago.

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      Well uh… if that is month to month growth…

      A year at .32% growth works out to about 4% growth, if that is rate is sustained for a year.

      That would be roughly a doubling of linux marketshare in a year.

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      I dunno .32% in a single month seems pretty significant. Obviously it’s not like Windows is going to go the way of the dodo but it’s looking like Linux may be taking a permanent piece of the pie where it had no staying power before.

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        I hate to say it, but it’s literally PewDiePie recording a video and showing young gaming fans Linux and calling it “cool”. That’s it. The guy’s got 110M subscribers.

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          Maybe. But so what? Pewdiepie wouldn’t have made the video if windows didn’t have serious problems, and if Linux wasn’t an incredibly good kernel to build an OS on.

          That video highlighted that you don’t have to be technical to use Linux, it’s here, and it’s ready for mass adoption.

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      It’s about half a million active users. So, yeah, a tiny city’s worth.

      Though things often start snowballing this way and Windows 10 end of life is likely see see a jump.

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      Actually, it is meteoric.

      Linux’s market share didn’t grow by 0.32%, it grew by 0.32 percentage points. It actually grew by 12.5% month-over-month. That huge. It went from 2.57% to 2.89%, which is only an increase of 0.32 percentage points. But that’s because the starting value is such a small percentage. But, the number itself grew by about 12.5%:

      2.57 * 1.125 = 2.89

      If it could keep up this month-by-month growth it would go from 2.57% to over 10% within 1 year. If it could keep it up for 2 years Linux would be nearly half of all Steam users.

      On one hand, I don’t think that would happen because the people making the switch now are early adopters and more adventurous users, so at some point it’s going to slow down. On the other hand, I think adoption will speed up at some point once there’s a critical mass of Linux users and Valve and nVidia start putting even more effort into Linux builds.

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        I think we’ll see a bump in users centred around October, since that is when MS had announced support for Windows 10 ended. They have recently announced that you can (maybe) get into the Extended Security Updates program for a year for free, but that’s perhaps too little too late.

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          If there’s any company that can make money from users installing Linux instead of Windows, that October deadline is a great time for a publicity blitz.

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      Relative, it is. Going front 2% to 2.32% (for example) is pretty good, though I don’t know where these numbers come from because the latest I saw had Linux at about 5%, and growing by something like 50-100% per year (for a year). Sure, the total number compared to Windows looks small, but compared to where it was it’s growing incredibly quickly.

      Edit: Someone said that was monthly, in which case yeah, that’s pretty fucking big.

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    People don’t have a choice. Microsoft made W11 incompatible with a lot of hardware and Microsoft said, “lol, buy new hardware”

    Giving nary a single fuck about whats best for their users.

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    Doesn’t really help that the AAA scene has gone straight in the shitter, while the quality games are all coming out of the Indie scene.

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      What Valve is doing is making it easier for indie Devs to better support Linux. They don’t have the funds for separate Linux builds. But with proton, it’s a pleasure to make it work. So… It’s great that quality games are coming out of Indie studios and they can be played on linux. Fuck the AAA

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    Are we going to make a big deal out of every 0.3% shift in steams stats towards Linux?

    Wake me up when we’re dealing in whole percentages… That’s when I’ll be excited about it, until then this could just be a sampling bias. A rounding error.

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      Linux went from 2.59% to 2.89%, that’s a 11.6% increase in the number of Linux users.

      If it shifted .3% it would have went from 2.59% to 2.5977%.

      The article is confusing ‘percentage points’ with ‘percentage’

      Another way of looking at it is that the Steam Linux user population went from ~3,418,000 users to ~3,814,000 users. So there are nearly 400,000 new Linux gamers.

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        0.3% overall. There might be half a million new Linux gamers on steam, but there’s still hundreds of millions of PC gamers using Windows.

        You can arrange the numbers how you want, the fact is that this is still a pretty small shift in the overall PC gamer landscape. I promise you, that’s how any larger developer sees it. Their pool of PC gamers shifted by a fraction of a percent. A good chunk of those that they “lost” as potential customers, probably wouldn’t have bought their games in the first place.

        The demographic overlap for large studios of people who are intentionally using Linux for gaming, and people that are interested in their game, doesn’t overlap much, if at all, I bet. Until we get their key demographic switching over in large enough quantities to threaten their profits, the majority of the industry won’t budge from their windows centric views.

        Look. I don’t hate Linux. Quite the opposite in fact. I’m rooting for these stats to move in and significant amount. I feel that’s an inevitable shift that will happen and until we do, we’ll keep getting these articles, describing a fraction of a percent move in the overall numbers as if it’s a huge culture shift for how people are playing games.

        If you haven’t seen it, maybe you should watch field of dreams, becasuse the main tag line of the movie “if you build it, they will come” definitely applies here. The larger PC gaming community, there is a statistically significant number of indie devs and indie studios that support Linux as a platform, even if it’s just the steam deck they’re building for… Those studios just are not the biggest players in terms of revenue/sales… But they’re the ones building “it”. This is slowly but surely fueling the fires that will eventually burn down Microsoft’s dominance in the gaming space. It’s been a war that’s been waged for literal decades, since before steam was a thing.

        There will come a day when we will hit critical mass and the large studios will be forced to either accept that their user base is shrinking because they don’t support Linux. That day is not today. We will need to see much more movement than a few percent difference before that happens. This isn’t even a few percent. This is a fraction of a percent of the total.

        So forgive me if I’m not excited by any of this. It’s movement in the right direction, but it’s utterly meaningless to the companies that could actually shift the industry to Linux on a large scale.

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          I’m not trying to convince you to cheer for this, I’m just correcting a common math mistake.

          0.3% overall.

          .3 percentage points. 11.6% increase

          Those are two different things

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          Linux market share has been growing at increasing speed. Last year, Steam Linux market share increased less than 20%, while it has already gone up by 40% this year. There is still 5 months left in this year.

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    I liked the comment going “Steam doesn’t have data on PC gamers, only Steam gamers.”, hinting at the seven gamers that stubbornly refuse to use Steam and still hunt for CDs, or old archives of shareware. They are people too dammit!

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      Came here to 2nd GOG, but there are a few other storefronts with their own game launchers & DRM similar to Steam (Ubisoft, Epic). Humble Bundle provide (sometimes a choice of) GOG/Epic/Steam keys depending on the game, and they also have a collection of DRM-free games you can download directly.

      Still, seven CD-ROM game hunters is probably a good estimate…!

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      Not arguing with your choice (props actually, I respect the switch) but it is possible to get a legit grey market key for w11 Pro for a lot less. I think I got mine for $20-30 in early 2024?

      Edit: I should have noticed I was in the Linux group before I posted that, I thought I was still in the gaming one I guess! Not advocating windows to anyone, it’s a terrible OS. But some people might need it for some things so I figured I’d share information that might help someone save a bit of money if they did. (Yes, there are other ways around that.)

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          I don’t doubt it, but do you happen to have a source?

          The only plus side I guess is I only use that computer for a bit of gaming and not for anything else, and i did manage to turn of automatic updates before they AI-ified everything. If I had more time and energy in my day I’d dual boot it, maybe some day.

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                Just so you’re aware, it’s super easy. You can even leave your Windows drive(s) the same if you want too if you’re up for buying a new drive. Linux can access the data fine —though probably not the other way around, depending on the format of your Linux drive(s). I have a drive that’s mostly media from back when I used Windows that just works like any other, but a worse format but that hardly matters.

                If you’re a gamer, Garuda, CachyOS, or Bezzite are good and take minutes to set up, and come with everything you need out of the box. Bezzite is immutable, so it’s harder to mess up, but it also limits what you can do (which probably doesn’t matter for you). If you do need help, which you probably won’t because it’s easier than installing Windows, you can ask and plenty of people will volunteer.

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                  Thanks! I’ve actually done it before back in the days when Mint was quite new,and I’m a programmer by trade (although mostly on Mac) so I’m not too worried about it, but I don’t have a second drive (and don’t really want one given a 2TB NVME drive) so I’d want to do all the backups first, at least for important stuff like my friend and I’s Minecraft server. For a computer I barely use it hasn’t felt worth it. Most of my computer time (outside of work) is on my Mac laptop.

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        And then you have to continously fight it because it switches your default browser to edge or starts showing you ads out of the blue or record your screen every second or whatever the fuck those greedy bastards think of doing next…

        Noooo fucking thanks, I switched to Pop for a year now and I’m not going back ever.

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          Even with Windows Enterprise, I don’t trust Microsoft to not spy on me and fuck with my control over the machine. If it weren’t for that, I wouldn’t be planning on switching over to Arch SteamOS Desktop when it releases.

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            I’ve used Enterprise IoT for a while, which is supposed to be the cleanest possible build of Windows (except for the Chinese government special one) and that STILL somehow managed to introduce ads after updates, reset settings, force me to use the GameBar, and so on.

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              Yup. Just last night, my machine decided to reboot itself without permission. I want to do updates on my timetable - that means backing up my passwords and bookmarks, figuring out what third-party things I want to update like my GPU, and preparations. Being forced to update also makes me feel extremely distrustful of MS, especially since they plan on having AI to take pictures of our activities. I enjoy LOTS of hentai, and feel that it is likely for MS to give the Trump Regime dirt on people.

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            Just switch. SteamOS is specifically designed for the Deck, and other handhelds. It doesn’t do anything special outside of defaulting to a handheld friendly view that you can’t get in another distro. I would say it’s probably going to be worse than one designed for desktop, if you’re putting it on a desktop. Bezzite is pretty much the same as what SteamOS will be (with the option of desktop or handheld mode at install I think). Garuda and CachyOS are great for gaming if you want a distro that isn’t immutable. They come with everything you’ll need for gaming.

            It’s trivial to set up. Just switch. Stop creating an excuse to wait. SteamOS isn’t special, unless you are putting it on a handheld potentially.

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                Yeah, but it doesn’t do anything special. Sure, it’s pretty much guaranteed to work for the Deck, but other than that you don’t get anything out of it that you can’t get elsewhere. There’s no special sauce that Valve puts in. The only thing they put in that’s special is Proton, except the contributions are open source and freely available everywhere.

                All distros are supported by some group. Valve isn’t particularly special in that, except it isn’t their specialty like other distro maintainers.

                If you’re switching to Linux to avoid a huge corporation then you should do that —and Valve is a pretty damn large corporation. Sure, they’re doing good things now, but people would have said the same thing about MS at some point in time. Don’t build them up into something else. Use the best option, not just following some brand loyalty for no good reason.

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                  Sure, but Valve specifically have a focus on a gaming experience, so if your focus is gaming, there’s a good chance steamOS will provide timely fixes and updates.

                  Again, I don’t disagree with the general sentiment of your reply, and I wouldn’t personally bother waiting for steamOS, but there are valid reasons to want to specifically choose steamOS

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        I’d rather buy a high end noctua fan for my CPU then spend $30 on a windows license. Although I have bought those in the past.

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        You can get it for tree from them directly. They don’t care about that upfront cost. They make money off your data.

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        I’ve never needed to activate windows on any of my computers since I just prefer Linux. But the gray market seems scary to me with the possibility of the key coming from a stolen card victim’s wallet.

        Is there any reason a non-dirty key would be available on the market? Does Microsoft do promotions or deals like that?

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          A ton of them apparently come from regional pricing, or from keys purchased by businesses. Windows offers volume licensing where you can buy bulk keys at a steep discount, basically. The business might not use all of them, and then they turn around and resell them. That’s technically against the terms of the license, but afaik Microsoft has never bothered to enforce that.

          I’ve also heard people will take the Windows keys off of older OEM towers and resell them. I have no idea how true that is, but it would also be against their terms.

          It’s not exactly likely, but Microsoft could probably just deactivate all of those keys at once if they decided to.

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          Microsoft doesn’t give a shit to stop it, because they profit off your data. They give it away for free themselves. They don’t care how you get it if you are on their system, and then they do everything they can to trap you. They don’t make their profit from key sales.

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          Those are good questions that I don’t have the answers to. Although from the research I did at the time it seems most likely they were purchased with regional pricing in a lower price region.

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          You aren’t taking anything from anyone. It’s just an algorithmically generated activation.

          This is so easy it’s kinda nuts, and there are multiple methods to activate. All you should need for Windows these days.

          https://massgrave.dev/

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    The change is even more dramatic if you consider only those users who use English as their language in Steam. Also, Linux adoption rate has sped up this year. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/ collects various data about Steam usage. One of the charts (screenshot below) show Linux market share among Linux/English users and overall Linux market share. I added the red line to demonstrate how I see the growth. There’s only few data points this side of the year, so my drawing is most likely wrong, but the growth starts around March. The green line is at 4.8% in January and February and 6.31% in July, so a nice 30% increase within about 6 months among Linux/English users.

    EDIT: The post is now more in line with reality. Couple more data points:

    • Linux market share among all Steam Linux users has gone from 2.06% in January to 2.89% in July. That’s a 40% increase within the first seven months only. And as another commenter said, the growth rate might increase towards the end of the year as more people starts abandoning Windows 10.
    • The same numbers for last year are 1.95% in Jan '24 and 2.08% in Jul '24, which is only a 6% increase.
    • But because the data is a bit jumpy, if I use approximate values of 1.75% for Jan '24 and 2.05 for Dec '24, the Linux market share increased by 17% in the entire last year.
    • I’ll stop now.
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      Considering how people love to delay things until the last minute, I expect it’ll sharply rise in October.

      I know this because I’m one of those people. Linux on several PCs and servers for years, but I’ve been too lazy to format & rebuild my gaming PC to get it off win10 and onto Linux.

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      I run Linux in English (because translated Unix looks weird) even though I’m not in or from an English speaking country. Sorry for skewing the stats.

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        Thou shalt not be forgiveth! /jk

        I might have slightly misunderstood what the information is about, but I also worded things in a wrong way. I edited the post to be more in line with reality, and added some more data points.

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      Could it be that Steam overcounts the users? I mean if you have a Steam Deck, do you now count as a Linux user, thus diluting the Windows share, even though you’re still (also) using Windows?

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        It’s based on devices. But, I wouldn’t consider it as diluting the Windows share. A user might have any combination of devices. Maybe they have PS5 as their home gaming device and Deck as their handheld device. They could also have Windows PC and Nintendo Switch. Or maybe they have Mac laptop and Linux desktop. I for one belong to the Linux desktop and Steam Deck camp. Steam Survey only tells how many Windows, Linux and Mac devices Steam users use, but, for example, not how many hours each type of device is used.

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    I’m currently configuring my new linux dev/gaming machine. Thanks for giving me the push I needed, Microsoft!

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    It’s good to see people making a switch to Linux. But the real tell will be in finding out how many of those people actually stick long term.

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      Dual booting will likely be a part of it, and microsoft will do whatever they need to make sure the bootloader is broken constantly.

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        And that’s exactly why my Windows install is locked away in VM hell. Fucked with my bootloader twice and I said never again.

        I even set up a custom boot option that autoloads the Windows VM and passes through all USB and auxiliary storage devices in a lightweight Linux environment, so other than the brief Linux boot log, it feels exactly like a native install, 10/10 recommend

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        That possible for sure. But I don’t see dual booting being as common as it once was. Owning an old spare computer is pretty common these days. Heck, you can even get a dirt cheap mini desktop off of amazon and a referb/used/spare monitor and have a completely fine old time messing around with different distros without a care in the world. And that’s a far easier entry into Linux than dual booting anymore.

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          Dual booting has always been a pain in the ass. Unless you’re a multiplayer gamer that needs kernel level Anti-Cheat it’s easier to just swap over and suffer the transition.

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            Funny enough my reason for dual booting has nothing to do with anti-cheat I think, rather it’s because a couple of my more graphically intensive games will randomly cause my entire system to completely freeze while I’m on linux and they don’t on windows. (I also have a couple games that I would need to fiddle with wine to get them to work, but the primary motivation is the system freeze)

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            Its more about having the option. I’d be more comfortable going to linux if I knew that there would be a way to continue using something in a pinch, even if I just need to figure out how to fix it later.

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            That’s a valid way too. It’s just that a lot of people aren’t really ready to dive in with both feet from the start. No matter how easy Linux has become or we might think its is. Change is scary and hard. And I think that’s a problem that holds back many people yet today.

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    If the survey hit for me 1 week from now I’d be on Linux, I’m literally setting my system up properly next Saturday

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        That comes with its own risks because Windows has been known to destroy dual boot setups when doing updates. Not always, but it can happen and it’s burnt people.

        Dual booting also makes it harder when you decide to get rid of windows fully, because you might yourself accidentally screw your bootloader as part of removing windows.

        The option I would personally recommend if you are unsure is to disconnect your windows hard drive, keep it safe, and install Linux on a separate drive. Then you can always drive swap back if you need and you know everything is safe.

        You can even put the windows drive back in after installing Linux, and then just use your BIOS boot drive selector to switch where you are booting from. Each drive has it’s own boot record in that case, so there’s less risk of any accidents.

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          Disconnecting is good advice. What worked for me after windowa scrubbed the EFI boot was installing Linux and assigning its own EFI partition, most distros probe foreign OS so your separate Linux partition gets a chainloader entry to the windows EFI boot. You set BIOS to use Linux boot, Windows gets a handoff if you choose it in the Grub Menu and doesn’t know about the other EFI partition. Kept my dual install save.

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        My main gaming rig is my last system not running Linux right now, I’ve been migrating my stuff over on my other systems for a couple months now (I keep getting distracted lol)

        But not that I’ve got alts for the software I normally use on my main rig it’s finally time, 2 months ahead of schedule.