A Gallup poll found the split between Republicans and Democrats about their satisfaction with the direction of the country was at its widest since 2001.
Such a tired bit of propaganda. Y’all need to acknowledge that while we wouldn’t have had progress under Kamala we also would not have had Alligator Auscwhitz, a near doubling of homeland security’s budget, illegal kidnappings/deportations, the US military policing American cities, tariffs, RFK Jr., honestly I could keep going.
She ran a shit campaign, people were dissatisfied with the former administration. She should never have been there, but all those that decided to abstain damned us all.
It’s like sitting one a sinking ship, throwing all the life jackets overboard, and complaining “well I didn’t sink the ship”.
Now millions of people in this country from those in the LGBTQ community to immigrants live in fear. Because some people thought they were so morally superior. Well congrats.
I don’t even like the democrats, but I’m at least capable of realizing that sometimes you have to pick what causes the least amount of harm. Sometimes you can’t have an ideal outcome. I’d rather run off the road than plow through children crossing the street. Neither are a good option, but only one is morally correct. And no taking your hands off the wheel and complaining isn’t a moral option.
This is what centrists love to tell progressives. But thanks to DNC leadership, the reality is that progressives almost never get their ideal outcome.
In fact, progressives are hardly even allowed representation within the DNC, god forbid leadership roles. Every time a popular progressive candidate comes along the DNC and centrists say, “now is not the time” and do everything in their power to prevent the progressive candidate from gaining power. It’s been that way for decades and yet they still feel entitled to the progressive vote.
At this point, many progressives are so disillusioned with the DNC that they are actively voting for MAGA candidates rather than just staying home on election day. No amount of telling them to vote for the lesser evil is going to work.
The only way for the DNC to guarantee the progressive vote is to open up space in the party for progressive politics. But at this point it’s becoming clear that the DNC would sooner risk losing power to fascists rather than to progressives.
You can yell at voters until you’re blue in the face and nothing will change. The DNC has been trying that since 2016 and the only time it “worked” was when the opposition was in the middle of mismanaging a once-in-a-century disaster. The only way you’re going to inspire people to vote for you is to give them what they want.
Tell the democratic party this when they insist that the candidate MUST lick rich people’s asses or they’d rather give the election to the republicans. When you’ve got people making excuses for giving billions in weapons to genocide then it’s obvious that the democratic party is not actually interested in helping. If they can excuse genocide then they can excuse anything.
You can say “better than the alternative” all the way to fascism, because that is the only place that line of thinking will bring you. In fact, that is exactly what has happened after decades of rabid republicans and impotent democrats tag team fucking the American people.
Tell the democratic party this when they insist that the candidate MUST lick rich people’s asses
It’s kinda funny you assume that I already don’t feel this way.
Just when it comes to the day our flawed voting system gave me a choice between fascism or not. There’s really no other way to look at it. You can abstain, but that’s a vote for fascism.
You can justify it however you want, but your moral superiority comes at the expense of the lives of minorities. That’s just the facts of the 2024 election.
Just when it comes to the day our flawed voting system gave me a choice between fascism or not.
That was not the choice. The solution to hitler is not hitler-lite.
You can justify it however you want, but your moral superiority comes at the expense of the lives of minorities. That’s just the facts of the 2024 election.
Stop using minorities as a shield for continuing terrible democratic policies which include GENOCIDE.
You’re telling on yourself. I’m viewing them as people who’s lives are now in jeopardy. These are my friends and family we’re talking about. You read my truthful fears and decided it was political theater.
Guess what now we get 2 genocides and one gets to be domestic. But keep thinking you’re oh so superior.
Telling on myself how? That I don’t find genocide acceptable? You’ve clearly taken the genocide of Palestinians as granted and perhaps even acceptable. If the democratic party is willing to support the genocide of Palestinians, even going out of their way to sending billions in weapons toward the cause, then your friends and family aren’t safe the second the democratic party finds them politically inconvenient either. First they came for…
This may blow your mind but it is possible to be concerned about more than one thing at a time.
The genocide is abhorrent and unfortunately this country is complicity. Any candidate with a chance to win wasn’t going to stop it.
However, now we get to have even more suffering. Now we’ll probably get 2 genocides for the price of one.
Allow me to complete your quote using the choices you made “First they came for the Palestinians, so I said something. Next they came for the immigrants and I did nothing because I wasn’t able to consider any issue other than the Palestinians. Then they came for the Queer community, once again I said nothing because what about the Palestinians? Then they came for me, but I told them that it was impossible for them to come for me because no one has done anything about the genocide of the Palestinians. They laugh and took me anyway.”
Again you miss the point. So you “said something” about Palestinians? All I can see you saying about the issue is shaming people for still talking about it even though it’s still an ongoing issue. You’re claiming that people who talk about it still just have a superiority complex and are somehow at fault for everything trump does, even though the democratic party, who has far more power than any of us, were happy to continue supporting genocide even if it meant losing votes.
Let me state that again: the democratic party, your supposed champions holding back fascism, were happy to ignore voters protesting genocide because they thought sending billions in weapons in support of genocide is more important than their votes. Now you’re telling me that these very same champions give a shit about any of your friends and family? It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic. The democratic party is the “good cop” in the good cop/bad cop fascism routine. Both cops work for the same organization and have the same goal.
Exactly. Now instead of only continuing the genocide that was never going to be stopped regardless of the outcome of the election, we get a second genocide right here at home.
That you take the former as given is the whole reason the Democratic party has like a 20% approval rating. People don’t vote for parties that just act like bad things are just immutable facts of life, especially when it’s blatantly obvious that the bad thing could be changed if the political will existed.
Imo it was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for Democrats; which is exactly what Republicans, Israel, and bad actors crafted the situation to be.
If the public stance was not Democrats being 100% for Israel, then they believed they would have lost the election because of the political PACs and donors flipping to fund the opposition.
Given how much money the lobbies that were pro-Israel were pushing into the campaign trail, any candidate that didn’t take that stance in a close election was for sure at risk of losing their donor vote.
I still think Democrats should have done more, such as saying they would fully step into the situation to prevent the loss of more lives for both Palestinians and Israelis. It also didn’t help that Biden was pro-Israel and expected Kamala to be lock-step with his stances while on the campaign trail.
If the public stance was not Democrats being 100% for Israel, then they believed they would have lost the election because of the political PACs and donors flipping to fund the opposition.
They chased the money and they lost. Trump had less funding and he won. Aren’t you interested in asking why?
Another question. If it is possible to win with less funding, why do you consider it a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation?
In hindsight it should be easy to see that they were only damned for what they did (backed a genocide), and would not have been otherwise. Too many people can’t get past their bitterness towards abstainers to consider how this outcome was an unforced error on the part of the DNC, and are seemingly content to repeat the same mistake.
They chased the money and they lost. Trump had less funding and he won. Aren’t you interested in asking why?
Functionally that was their gamble. Chasing money is a current issue of our system where money and land matter more than people, power-wise.
Trump specifically had more direct funding than Harris since money was also being spent trying to pick up close Senate seats. I don’t think this includes all of the tactics that went in to drive the vote for Republicans such as Elon’s personal PAC, paying people to register to vote, gerrymandering efforts, added barriers for mail-in ballots, or even the fact that people were allowed to legally gamble on the election.
Another question. If it is possible to win with less funding, why do you consider it a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation?
There was lots of specific issues that factored in, but Democrats being beholden to not pissing off the Israel PACs was a big issue. Some of the same PACs that make very misleading ads against politicians that didn’t say they were specifically pro-Israel. Ads so misleading that you question how it’s legal to make those kinds of claims. And PACs so organized that they can tell their donors who to send their donations to directly and their donors listen repeatedly.
I think it is possible to be a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” if you’re at risk of losing a large enough percentage of voters with either choice you make. I think they could’ve done better if Biden stepped in a year before and demanded America lead operations/prevented Israel from attacking indiscriminately and land grabbing. Well that and if many of the greedy politicians didn’t look at this as an excuse to make an arms deal.
I think they were damned for letting Biden dictate Harris’ Israel/Palestine opinion. Harris wasn’t going to follow in Biden’s footsteps in Israel, so she should have made it clear how she was going to get a resolution brought forward.
In hindsight it should be easy to see that they were only damned for what they did (backed a genocide), and would not have been otherwise. Too many people can’t get past their bitterness towards abstainers to consider how this outcome was an unforced error on the part of the DNC, and are seemingly content to repeat the same mistake.
Personally, I don’t blame abstainers, I blame the propagandists that preyed upon people. Many of the Democratic and Republican politicians are owned by money. It’s the reason these corporate Democratic leaders are not backing Mamdani, since he’s both progressive and not lock-step pro-Israel. The corporate Dems and Republicans specifically are the ones at risk of their funding/seats to another corporate politician if they were not condemning Mamdani.
All this to say, change needs to happen from both within the Democratic Party and outside of it as well, such as by changing the voting system locally to get more politicians like Mamdani.
Probably won’t comfort trans people when they’re shoved into death camps, but for a brief moment you got to feel superior. So that’s gotta count for something right?
I voted for Harris and the people you’re losing are the ones who don’t care about feeling superior, they just don’t feel like voting is very important and dumb statements like “regardless of who is elected, this bad thing won’t change” reinforce that idea.
Honestly that’s a fair point. I feel like this is a major failure of our civics education.
If we did mandatory voting, made election day a federal holiday, and treated it like a much more important civil duty the results would be wildly different.
You can write as many paragraphs as you need to feel better but a Harris win was never possible. Our political process has been completely captured by a class of billionaires. The working class have no representation. Elections continue only as a means to accelerate partisan culture war distraction to keep the working class divided. The outcome was pre determined. Direct your anger at billionaires not working class people.
Just watched a legal eagle video on helldivers that gives a nice little primer on managed democracy.
Folks here should watch it. Not that it would actually get them to pull their voluntary blinders off to stop spewing bullshit propaganda about how the democrats can and will save us.
I reject the assertion that there is absolutely no chance and our elections are predetermined. They’re dug in real deep and have an insanely strong influence but there is a chance as long as elections continue to happen.
Also just because the billionaires are the enemy doesn’t mean the common man can’t be wrong. When it comes to a class war I’m more than willing to let bygones be bygones. But that doesn’t mean we still can’t discuss the poor actions of our peers.
And how exactly do you suggest Kamala to have become elected, exactly, with her position on the genocide and her “I would do nothing different” approach to politics?
Because you are doing a bait and switch, right now, with what the critique was and how you are interpreting it.
The critique was, that if Kamala didn’t change her position on the genocide, she wouldn’t be elected. You are interpreting that as if the argument was that she shouldn’t be elected.
I want to also point out that this same, disingenuous interpretation was omnipresent in the run up to the election: criticism of Harris or her ability to convince the electorate was interpreted as being “against” Harris. This was met with some of the worst brigading and dog-piling the internet has ever seen. This disingenuous approach almost certainly drove voters away from Harris, because of her supporters vapid intolerance to the critique that the candidate needed to change their policies because they were blowing it.
So the onus is on you. How do you, exactly, propose getting 6 million additional votes for Harris? What functional mechanism? Because it’s on your camp at this point, since that camp that ran interference from people trying to move the candidate to a more electable position.
I hold no loyalties to Harris. As stated her campaign was shit and she should never have ran. I’m not part of any “camp”.
It’s not my job to lead you to something all so obvious. Project 2025 was published. We knew this would happen. You decided that the lives of immigrants and queer people were unimportant to you. You decided it was more important to act superior than to swallow just a little bit of your pride and protect lives. I’m sorry that “dogpile” is too much for you to handle.
I’m sure the corpses this administration is making will really really care about my onus
Oh don’t fool yourself that you represent any kind of a leader.
What lost this election was Harris’s refusal to move on Gaza, and that was supported by the Blue MAGA/ BNMW contingent.
We had the chance to kick Harris into the right direction on Gaza if we could have broken through the down vote wall/ static interference being run by blue MAGA in that campaign.
If you were defending Harris’ position on Gaza instead of demanding her to change, you are responsible for her loss.
We needed to move 6 million people and you are offering NO mechanism for that. The only way was to move the candidate. If you interfered in placing pressure on the candidate, this is on you.
That isn’t a mechanism to move 6 million votes onto the Harris side of the balance sheet. You want to make the argument that any blue should have done? Show me how. Because we just ran the experiment, and it turns out, any blue wouldn’t do. Voters cared enough about policy to stay home. We ran with ABWD. It lost the election, for all of us.
Honestly this is pointless. I’m not going to explain how the electoral college works, if you understood that you wouldn’t keep repeating 6 million votes.
Here’s what matters now.
Protests on Monday. We can’t fix the mistakes of the past anymore. Now we gotta organize. See you there
No it’s not fucking pointless because idiots like you just handed the country to fascism instead of demanding better of the candidate. And it cost us everything.
You owe me a mechanism, and if you cant propose one, you don’t have one iota of integrity with the blame you place on this who were advocating that Harris needed to change her position on Israel/ Gaza.
it’s just same toxic shit from the same toxic clowns who just handed this country over to the facisists.
concentration camps for immigrants have been a thing since at least obama. remember “kids in cages”? remember how biden didn’t free them?
a near doubling of homeland security’s budget
trump nearly doubled the DHS’s budget between 2017 and 2021, biden never decreased it. in fact, it kept increasing under him
illegal kidnappings/deportations
instead we would have had legal kidnappings/deportations! much better ☺️
the US military policing American cities
because regular police isn’t militarized and corrupt to hell anyways
tariffs
chinese EVs anyone?
RFK Jr.
i’ll give you that one
yes trump is worse in almost every way. but there is still not much meaningful difference between both parties. note, also, that harris sold herself as tougher on immigration than trump. would this have been true? idk, maybe not, but it still signifies she would’ve gone in the same direction
concentration camps for immigrants have been a thing since at least obama. remember “kids in cages”? remember how biden didn’t free them?
They were bad, now they’re worse. That’s ignoring the difference in scale too.
trump nearly doubled the DHS’s budget between 2017 and 2021, biden never decreased it. in fact, it kept increasing under him
Fair, but once again scale. Doubling a budget in 1 year is actually a lot different than doing it over 4 years.
instead we would have had legal kidnappings/deportations! much better ☺️
Umm yeah, the erosion of due proccess is scary as shit. A sitting US president is removing people from the country to random prisons elsewhere with no due proccess. Deportations are a problem, but the new issue is the dissolution of civil liberties that applies to everyone.
because regular police isn’t militarized and corrupt to hell anyways
Correct, but not the actual issue. Police, while horribly corrupt, have jurisdiction and are theoretically bound to the local government. The military does not have the legal authority to police US citizens. It’s a much bigger issue than militarized police.
chinese EVs anyone?
A handful of targeted tariffs are very common. Basically every nation does them. Once again scale. But I do hate how this benefited Elon.
i’ll give you that one
Worms for the worm god
Anyway, your comparisons lack the necessary depth. A lot of the new issues come down to scale and method. Cruelty has become the point. The law is being ignored in such a way that it suggests soon citizens will have no rights. That’s fucking scary and so so much worse than anything Biden did.
The meaninful difference between both parties is one party allows you to bury your head in the sand while they drug and rape you and the other party just rapes you.
But but no matter who
Such a tired bit of propaganda. Y’all need to acknowledge that while we wouldn’t have had progress under Kamala we also would not have had Alligator Auscwhitz, a near doubling of homeland security’s budget, illegal kidnappings/deportations, the US military policing American cities, tariffs, RFK Jr., honestly I could keep going.
She ran a shit campaign, people were dissatisfied with the former administration. She should never have been there, but all those that decided to abstain damned us all.
It’s like sitting one a sinking ship, throwing all the life jackets overboard, and complaining “well I didn’t sink the ship”.
Now millions of people in this country from those in the LGBTQ community to immigrants live in fear. Because some people thought they were so morally superior. Well congrats.
I don’t even like the democrats, but I’m at least capable of realizing that sometimes you have to pick what causes the least amount of harm. Sometimes you can’t have an ideal outcome. I’d rather run off the road than plow through children crossing the street. Neither are a good option, but only one is morally correct. And no taking your hands off the wheel and complaining isn’t a moral option.
This is what centrists love to tell progressives. But thanks to DNC leadership, the reality is that progressives almost never get their ideal outcome.
In fact, progressives are hardly even allowed representation within the DNC, god forbid leadership roles. Every time a popular progressive candidate comes along the DNC and centrists say, “now is not the time” and do everything in their power to prevent the progressive candidate from gaining power. It’s been that way for decades and yet they still feel entitled to the progressive vote.
At this point, many progressives are so disillusioned with the DNC that they are actively voting for MAGA candidates rather than just staying home on election day. No amount of telling them to vote for the lesser evil is going to work.
The only way for the DNC to guarantee the progressive vote is to open up space in the party for progressive politics. But at this point it’s becoming clear that the DNC would sooner risk losing power to fascists rather than to progressives.
You can yell at voters until you’re blue in the face and nothing will change. The DNC has been trying that since 2016 and the only time it “worked” was when the opposition was in the middle of mismanaging a once-in-a-century disaster. The only way you’re going to inspire people to vote for you is to give them what they want.
Tell the democratic party this when they insist that the candidate MUST lick rich people’s asses or they’d rather give the election to the republicans. When you’ve got people making excuses for giving billions in weapons to genocide then it’s obvious that the democratic party is not actually interested in helping. If they can excuse genocide then they can excuse anything.
You can say “better than the alternative” all the way to fascism, because that is the only place that line of thinking will bring you. In fact, that is exactly what has happened after decades of rabid republicans and impotent democrats tag team fucking the American people.
It’s kinda funny you assume that I already don’t feel this way.
Just when it comes to the day our flawed voting system gave me a choice between fascism or not. There’s really no other way to look at it. You can abstain, but that’s a vote for fascism.
You can justify it however you want, but your moral superiority comes at the expense of the lives of minorities. That’s just the facts of the 2024 election.
That was not the choice. The solution to hitler is not hitler-lite.
Stop using minorities as a shield for continuing terrible democratic policies which include GENOCIDE.
You’re telling on yourself. I’m viewing them as people who’s lives are now in jeopardy. These are my friends and family we’re talking about. You read my truthful fears and decided it was political theater.
Guess what now we get 2 genocides and one gets to be domestic. But keep thinking you’re oh so superior.
Telling on myself how? That I don’t find genocide acceptable? You’ve clearly taken the genocide of Palestinians as granted and perhaps even acceptable. If the democratic party is willing to support the genocide of Palestinians, even going out of their way to sending billions in weapons toward the cause, then your friends and family aren’t safe the second the democratic party finds them politically inconvenient either. First they came for…
This may blow your mind but it is possible to be concerned about more than one thing at a time.
The genocide is abhorrent and unfortunately this country is complicity. Any candidate with a chance to win wasn’t going to stop it.
However, now we get to have even more suffering. Now we’ll probably get 2 genocides for the price of one.
Allow me to complete your quote using the choices you made “First they came for the Palestinians, so I said something. Next they came for the immigrants and I did nothing because I wasn’t able to consider any issue other than the Palestinians. Then they came for the Queer community, once again I said nothing because what about the Palestinians? Then they came for me, but I told them that it was impossible for them to come for me because no one has done anything about the genocide of the Palestinians. They laugh and took me anyway.”
Again you miss the point. So you “said something” about Palestinians? All I can see you saying about the issue is shaming people for still talking about it even though it’s still an ongoing issue. You’re claiming that people who talk about it still just have a superiority complex and are somehow at fault for everything trump does, even though the democratic party, who has far more power than any of us, were happy to continue supporting genocide even if it meant losing votes.
Let me state that again: the democratic party, your supposed champions holding back fascism, were happy to ignore voters protesting genocide because they thought sending billions in weapons in support of genocide is more important than their votes. Now you’re telling me that these very same champions give a shit about any of your friends and family? It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic. The democratic party is the “good cop” in the good cop/bad cop fascism routine. Both cops work for the same organization and have the same goal.
Exactly. Now instead of only continuing the genocide that was never going to be stopped regardless of the outcome of the election, we get a second genocide right here at home.
That you take the former as given is the whole reason the Democratic party has like a 20% approval rating. People don’t vote for parties that just act like bad things are just immutable facts of life, especially when it’s blatantly obvious that the bad thing could be changed if the political will existed.
Imo it was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for Democrats; which is exactly what Republicans, Israel, and bad actors crafted the situation to be.
If the public stance was not Democrats being 100% for Israel, then they believed they would have lost the election because of the political PACs and donors flipping to fund the opposition.
Given how much money the lobbies that were pro-Israel were pushing into the campaign trail, any candidate that didn’t take that stance in a close election was for sure at risk of losing their donor vote.
I still think Democrats should have done more, such as saying they would fully step into the situation to prevent the loss of more lives for both Palestinians and Israelis. It also didn’t help that Biden was pro-Israel and expected Kamala to be lock-step with his stances while on the campaign trail.
They chased the money and they lost. Trump had less funding and he won. Aren’t you interested in asking why?
Another question. If it is possible to win with less funding, why do you consider it a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation?
In hindsight it should be easy to see that they were only damned for what they did (backed a genocide), and would not have been otherwise. Too many people can’t get past their bitterness towards abstainers to consider how this outcome was an unforced error on the part of the DNC, and are seemingly content to repeat the same mistake.
Functionally that was their gamble. Chasing money is a current issue of our system where money and land matter more than people, power-wise.
Trump specifically had more direct funding than Harris since money was also being spent trying to pick up close Senate seats. I don’t think this includes all of the tactics that went in to drive the vote for Republicans such as Elon’s personal PAC, paying people to register to vote, gerrymandering efforts, added barriers for mail-in ballots, or even the fact that people were allowed to legally gamble on the election.
There was lots of specific issues that factored in, but Democrats being beholden to not pissing off the Israel PACs was a big issue. Some of the same PACs that make very misleading ads against politicians that didn’t say they were specifically pro-Israel. Ads so misleading that you question how it’s legal to make those kinds of claims. And PACs so organized that they can tell their donors who to send their donations to directly and their donors listen repeatedly.
I think it is possible to be a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” if you’re at risk of losing a large enough percentage of voters with either choice you make. I think they could’ve done better if Biden stepped in a year before and demanded America lead operations/prevented Israel from attacking indiscriminately and land grabbing. Well that and if many of the greedy politicians didn’t look at this as an excuse to make an arms deal.
I think they were damned for letting Biden dictate Harris’ Israel/Palestine opinion. Harris wasn’t going to follow in Biden’s footsteps in Israel, so she should have made it clear how she was going to get a resolution brought forward.
Personally, I don’t blame abstainers, I blame the propagandists that preyed upon people. Many of the Democratic and Republican politicians are owned by money. It’s the reason these corporate Democratic leaders are not backing Mamdani, since he’s both progressive and not lock-step pro-Israel. The corporate Dems and Republicans specifically are the ones at risk of their funding/seats to another corporate politician if they were not condemning Mamdani.
All this to say, change needs to happen from both within the Democratic Party and outside of it as well, such as by changing the voting system locally to get more politicians like Mamdani.
Very sound logic.
Probably won’t comfort trans people when they’re shoved into death camps, but for a brief moment you got to feel superior. So that’s gotta count for something right?
I voted for Harris and the people you’re losing are the ones who don’t care about feeling superior, they just don’t feel like voting is very important and dumb statements like “regardless of who is elected, this bad thing won’t change” reinforce that idea.
Honestly that’s a fair point. I feel like this is a major failure of our civics education.
If we did mandatory voting, made election day a federal holiday, and treated it like a much more important civil duty the results would be wildly different.
None of that will fix a system so broken where there are only two viable parties and both support genocide.
You can write as many paragraphs as you need to feel better but a Harris win was never possible. Our political process has been completely captured by a class of billionaires. The working class have no representation. Elections continue only as a means to accelerate partisan culture war distraction to keep the working class divided. The outcome was pre determined. Direct your anger at billionaires not working class people.
Just watched a legal eagle video on helldivers that gives a nice little primer on managed democracy.
Folks here should watch it. Not that it would actually get them to pull their voluntary blinders off to stop spewing bullshit propaganda about how the democrats can and will save us.
I reject the assertion that there is absolutely no chance and our elections are predetermined. They’re dug in real deep and have an insanely strong influence but there is a chance as long as elections continue to happen.
Also just because the billionaires are the enemy doesn’t mean the common man can’t be wrong. When it comes to a class war I’m more than willing to let bygones be bygones. But that doesn’t mean we still can’t discuss the poor actions of our peers.
Ok then why reject Mamdani in NY and Fateh in MN?
I don’t?
I love Mamdani. Personally haven’t heard much about Fateh but if their policies are similar sign me up.
I don’t mean you, I mean the DNC.
And how exactly do you suggest Kamala to have become elected, exactly, with her position on the genocide and her “I would do nothing different” approach to politics?
Because you are doing a bait and switch, right now, with what the critique was and how you are interpreting it.
The critique was, that if Kamala didn’t change her position on the genocide, she wouldn’t be elected. You are interpreting that as if the argument was that she shouldn’t be elected.
I want to also point out that this same, disingenuous interpretation was omnipresent in the run up to the election: criticism of Harris or her ability to convince the electorate was interpreted as being “against” Harris. This was met with some of the worst brigading and dog-piling the internet has ever seen. This disingenuous approach almost certainly drove voters away from Harris, because of her supporters vapid intolerance to the critique that the candidate needed to change their policies because they were blowing it.
So the onus is on you. How do you, exactly, propose getting 6 million additional votes for Harris? What functional mechanism? Because it’s on your camp at this point, since that camp that ran interference from people trying to move the candidate to a more electable position.
I hold no loyalties to Harris. As stated her campaign was shit and she should never have ran. I’m not part of any “camp”.
It’s not my job to lead you to something all so obvious. Project 2025 was published. We knew this would happen. You decided that the lives of immigrants and queer people were unimportant to you. You decided it was more important to act superior than to swallow just a little bit of your pride and protect lives. I’m sorry that “dogpile” is too much for you to handle.
I’m sure the corpses this administration is making will really really care about my onus
Oh don’t fool yourself that you represent any kind of a leader.
What lost this election was Harris’s refusal to move on Gaza, and that was supported by the Blue MAGA/ BNMW contingent.
We had the chance to kick Harris into the right direction on Gaza if we could have broken through the down vote wall/ static interference being run by blue MAGA in that campaign.
If you were defending Harris’ position on Gaza instead of demanding her to change, you are responsible for her loss.
We needed to move 6 million people and you are offering NO mechanism for that. The only way was to move the candidate. If you interfered in placing pressure on the candidate, this is on you.
Now you’re making the assumptions. I never defended her position on the genocide. It was deplorable. I often spoke against it.
But guess what, neither canidate showed a willingness to budge on that.
Now we’re going to get 2 genocides and lose what little bit of democracy we had.
But hey what’s a little martial law. She wasn’t perfect, so you know we’re gotta let the fascists take over instead because I’m a smart boy.
That isn’t a mechanism to move 6 million votes onto the Harris side of the balance sheet. You want to make the argument that any blue should have done? Show me how. Because we just ran the experiment, and it turns out, any blue wouldn’t do. Voters cared enough about policy to stay home. We ran with ABWD. It lost the election, for all of us.
Try again.
Honestly this is pointless. I’m not going to explain how the electoral college works, if you understood that you wouldn’t keep repeating 6 million votes.
Here’s what matters now.
Protests on Monday. We can’t fix the mistakes of the past anymore. Now we gotta organize. See you there
Oh now it’s pointless?
No it’s not fucking pointless because idiots like you just handed the country to fascism instead of demanding better of the candidate. And it cost us everything.
You owe me a mechanism, and if you cant propose one, you don’t have one iota of integrity with the blame you place on this who were advocating that Harris needed to change her position on Israel/ Gaza.
it’s just same toxic shit from the same toxic clowns who just handed this country over to the facisists.
concentration camps for immigrants have been a thing since at least obama. remember “kids in cages”? remember how biden didn’t free them?
trump nearly doubled the DHS’s budget between 2017 and 2021, biden never decreased it. in fact, it kept increasing under him
instead we would have had legal kidnappings/deportations! much better ☺️
because regular police isn’t militarized and corrupt to hell anyways
chinese EVs anyone?
i’ll give you that one
yes trump is worse in almost every way. but there is still not much meaningful difference between both parties. note, also, that harris sold herself as tougher on immigration than trump. would this have been true? idk, maybe not, but it still signifies she would’ve gone in the same direction
They were bad, now they’re worse. That’s ignoring the difference in scale too.
Fair, but once again scale. Doubling a budget in 1 year is actually a lot different than doing it over 4 years.
Umm yeah, the erosion of due proccess is scary as shit. A sitting US president is removing people from the country to random prisons elsewhere with no due proccess. Deportations are a problem, but the new issue is the dissolution of civil liberties that applies to everyone.
Correct, but not the actual issue. Police, while horribly corrupt, have jurisdiction and are theoretically bound to the local government. The military does not have the legal authority to police US citizens. It’s a much bigger issue than militarized police.
A handful of targeted tariffs are very common. Basically every nation does them. Once again scale. But I do hate how this benefited Elon.
Worms for the worm god
Anyway, your comparisons lack the necessary depth. A lot of the new issues come down to scale and method. Cruelty has become the point. The law is being ignored in such a way that it suggests soon citizens will have no rights. That’s fucking scary and so so much worse than anything Biden did.
You’re unhinged
You don’t understand, the blue guy pretended to ignore all of this, that’s clearly better. Now shut up and don’t ask questions!
The meaninful difference between both parties is one party allows you to bury your head in the sand while they drug and rape you and the other party just rapes you.
Now you're saying, who, like you a owl
Throw in the towel, the devil is colin powell