Not OP, but tire dust is a real problem. It’s one of those things we haven’t studied until very recently. It’s just gone under the radar because it’s easy to point at tailpipe emissions.
Now are EVs worse? If we compare the same class of vehicle, EVs are going to be about 20% heavier, so yes, they’re going to create more tire dust. Is that worse than the tailpipe emissions from a gas vehicle? Probably not. But it’s deceptive to not include tire dust when comparing emissions between the two vehicle types.
I very much agree that tyre dust is a problem, and that weight is a large issue.
However, these kinds of caveats are routinely used to downplay the level of harm reduction that transitioning ICE cars to EVs would bring. Note how right-wing media basically uses this technique - mostly with the emissions associated with making EV batteries - to justify the continued use of ICE cars.
The antidote is to require numbers for this type of claim.
Fwiw, I don’t own any kind of car, I bike and take transit everywhere, and I’m broadly against cars on account of their outsized negative impact on society. I still believe EVs represent a necessary amount of harm reduction.
Pick up trucks are the same weight or more than most evs sold today. The tire wear discussion was on weight of vehicles, not evs. Other sites reported on it and grossly overestimated the average weight of an ev.
I have. Those stupid sharp corners are close to the height of the average person’s fucking heart.
And they’re glued together no less. Like WTF, real vehicles secure everything properly with threaded nuts and bolts.
You can’t even get out of a Tesla on fire unless you know how to disassemble the door panel to access the emergency latch. WTF?
Also, vehicle weight scales are pretty damn accurate, even mandatory in certain industries. I’m pretty sure nobody estimated a damn thing, they literally weighed the vehicles.
There’s less than 50000 cybertrucks on the road. BYD sold 3 million cars in 2023, most of which are ‘normal’ cars that only weigh slightly more than the equivalent ICE car. The cybertruck is a rounding error and irrelevant.
EVs on average wear out their tires slightly faster than a similar car, but it’s not by orders of magnitude, and they actually emit less brake dust because of regenerative braking.
Again, private car ownership should definitely be discouraged and alternatives can be found, but this is a prime example of rejecting a solution that solves many issues because one aspect of it is slightly worse than the thing it’s replacing.
Also, all the Cybertrucks got recalled, because roof trim panels are falling off because of bad/wrong glue.
Glue?!?!?!
Don’t they know how to attach parts to a motorized vehicle by now? Nuts and bolts and washers. You know, tried, true, tested, and proven technology?
Look, I’m not against the idea of simple, affordable electric vehicles. But they should also be affordable, relatively easy to fix as necessary, and like not fucking lock you inside while you burn to death…
I was just searching and genuinely couldn’t find it anymore. I distinctly remember watching an engineering explained video on it, too, but couldn’t find it.
The thing is: heavier cars wear tires down more. This also applies to large SUVs and Pickups. The issue is that people only care about it when it’s due to it being an EV.
Meanwhile, other studies say they wear tires out way faster because they’re heavier, and rubber tire dust adds quite a bit to the emissions as well.
Entirely dependent on the model. A base model RWD EV sedan (Model 3, Ioniq 6) weighs less than 2 tons.
If you have a moronmobile like a Hummer, sure.
The lightest model 3 weighs about 3900lbs. Which is going to be like 1000lbs on any similarly sized ICE car
What?
My Ford Focus weighed 3000 lbs and was half the size of a Model 3.
You’re full of shit, my dude.
Would you consider a BMW 3 Series a similar sized ICE car?
According to BMW they range from 3536-4008 lbs.
Sorry I figured 900 lbs was pretty close to “like 1000 lbs”
3900-3500 = 400?
This comment is not useful unless backed up with data on how much relative emissions this would contribute.
Unless provided, please refrain
Not OP, but tire dust is a real problem. It’s one of those things we haven’t studied until very recently. It’s just gone under the radar because it’s easy to point at tailpipe emissions.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2024/12/18/tires-shed-millions-of-tonnes-of-microplastics-into-the-environment/
Now are EVs worse? If we compare the same class of vehicle, EVs are going to be about 20% heavier, so yes, they’re going to create more tire dust. Is that worse than the tailpipe emissions from a gas vehicle? Probably not. But it’s deceptive to not include tire dust when comparing emissions between the two vehicle types.
I very much agree that tyre dust is a problem, and that weight is a large issue.
However, these kinds of caveats are routinely used to downplay the level of harm reduction that transitioning ICE cars to EVs would bring. Note how right-wing media basically uses this technique - mostly with the emissions associated with making EV batteries - to justify the continued use of ICE cars.
The antidote is to require numbers for this type of claim.
Fwiw, I don’t own any kind of car, I bike and take transit everywhere, and I’m broadly against cars on account of their outsized negative impact on society. I still believe EVs represent a necessary amount of harm reduction.
Pick up trucks are the same weight or more than most evs sold today. The tire wear discussion was on weight of vehicles, not evs. Other sites reported on it and grossly overestimated the average weight of an ev.
Have you ever stood next to a Cybertruck?
I have. Those stupid sharp corners are close to the height of the average person’s fucking heart.
And they’re glued together no less. Like WTF, real vehicles secure everything properly with threaded nuts and bolts.
You can’t even get out of a Tesla on fire unless you know how to disassemble the door panel to access the emergency latch. WTF?
Also, vehicle weight scales are pretty damn accurate, even mandatory in certain industries. I’m pretty sure nobody estimated a damn thing, they literally weighed the vehicles.
The Cybertruck isn’t an average EV anymore than the gas powered Hummer is an average gas burning car.
True
meanwhile, my ev weighs 1340kg.
sush, only EVs are teslas. No other Ev’s exist. Stop fighting the narrative.
Ow, sorry 🤐
Okay, not bad. For those that measure in giraffes, that’s about 2955 lbs.
It would be nice to know what model EV you have for reference. I’m sure it ain’t a Tesla…
Bmw i3s with 120ah battery. Really good car tbh.
I’m not even mad, I assume it’s a good vehicle for you…
It is. Thank you 😊.
There’s less than 50000 cybertrucks on the road. BYD sold 3 million cars in 2023, most of which are ‘normal’ cars that only weigh slightly more than the equivalent ICE car. The cybertruck is a rounding error and irrelevant.
EVs on average wear out their tires slightly faster than a similar car, but it’s not by orders of magnitude, and they actually emit less brake dust because of regenerative braking.
Again, private car ownership should definitely be discouraged and alternatives can be found, but this is a prime example of rejecting a solution that solves many issues because one aspect of it is slightly worse than the thing it’s replacing.
Also, all the Cybertrucks got recalled, because roof trim panels are falling off because of bad/wrong glue.
Glue?!?!?!
Don’t they know how to attach parts to a motorized vehicle by now? Nuts and bolts and washers. You know, tried, true, tested, and proven technology?
Look, I’m not against the idea of simple, affordable electric vehicles. But they should also be affordable, relatively easy to fix as necessary, and like not fucking lock you inside while you burn to death…
Why do you keep talking about the fucking cybertrucks? Everyone knows they’re shit. Nobody’s defending them here.
It wasn’t way faster. It was marginally faster. This study was falsely reported on a number of times and that’s what people remember.
Do you know the name of this study? I’m curious to see if they tested the same set of tires on both or if the EV was on factory low resistance ones
I was just searching and genuinely couldn’t find it anymore. I distinctly remember watching an engineering explained video on it, too, but couldn’t find it.
The thing is: heavier cars wear tires down more. This also applies to large SUVs and Pickups. The issue is that people only care about it when it’s due to it being an EV.
If I recall they didn’t actually test the ev. They tested a heavier vehicle and just assumed that would be the ev since evs are heavier.
One sec, ill look for it